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OFFICIAL – new "Active Seasteading Projects" forum

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This topic contains 20 replies, has 6 voices, and was last updated by Avatar of ellmer - http://yook3.com ellmer – http://yook3.com 2 years, 10 months ago.

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  • #1705
    Avatar of Ken Sims
    Ken Sims
    Keymaster

    Here it is, your new “Active Seasteading Projects” forum.

    The description on the Forums page describes what it is for.

    I’ve moved the two recently created Seasteading Outpost threads to this forum (because this forum was requested as a result of that project).

    There are other threads which I think qualify, such as Floathaven, Sailing the Farm, some of xns’s threads, etc. The thread creators can move the threads using the Edit function.

    Ken
    Volunteer admin and primary spamfighter

    #16381
    Avatar of OCEANOPOLIS
    OCEANOPOLIS
    Participant

    I think Blueseed too. Or a link to their website.

    #16382
    Avatar of Ken Sims
    Ken Sims
    Keymaster
    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    I think Blueseed too. Or a link to their website.

    Blueseed certainly qualifies. If Dan posts anything more in the forums, this would be the appropriate forum.

    In the meantime, here is a link to their website:
    http://www.blueseed.co/

    #16390
    Avatar of elspru
    elspru
    Participant

    So based on the description,

    making a floating drydock in lake ontario should qualify,

    as it’s “working on .. reasonably large body of water”,

    also the boats to be built on the drydocks.

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    #16393
    Avatar of Ken Sims
    Ken Sims
    Keymaster
    elspru wrote:

    So based on the description,

    making a floating drydock in lake ontario should qualify,

    as it’s “working on .. reasonably large body of water”,

    also the boats to be built on the drydocks.

    I set up the forum and wrote the description, but I’m NOT going to be monitoring what threads are started in this forum versus other forums.

    1. That’s a moderator kind of thing, which I don’t do any more.

    2. I personally use the “new posts” view, so I don’t even know what posts are in which forum unless I happen to look at the “You are here:” line for some reason.

    I hope that people will use common sense about what belongs in which forum for all forums, not just this one.

    Ken

    #16394
    Avatar of shredder7753
    shredder7753
    Participant

    hi five, Ocean!

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    #16399
    Avatar of i_is_j_smith
    i_is_j_smith
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    You can do what you want, but I wouldn’t call Blueseed a seastead operation. They have no level of self sustainability, they will not be a form of new government, and they will not be improving on the location they’ve claimed.

    If you are going to call Blueseed a seastead then you might as well call projects such as the “Semester at Sea”, “Voyage of Discovery”, or other such school cruise lines a seastead. Which I don’t think they are.

    Come to think of it, if you are going to call Blueseed a seastead then you might as well call every oil rig out there a seastead. I don’t see much of a difference between them.

    #16400
    Avatar of Ken Sims
    Ken Sims
    Keymaster

    Neither the title and description of the forum says anything about a “seastead”.

    Not to mention that not everyone would agree with your criteria of what constitutes a “seastead” anyway.

    NOTE: If anyone wants to start discussing what constitutes a seastead, neither this thread nor this forum is the place to do it. General Chat would probably be the best forum.

    #16401

    smith, seasteading (and whatever we put into that artificial word) will not pop out from nowhere in a single step. It will evolve from afloat engineering that is there already. In the same way as humans evolved from ape like ancestors – and there was never a father who was clearly an ape and had a son who was clearly human.

    There will be never a seastead that is a “class apart from all other floating structures” – The vision that seasteads are clearly different from ships, floating platforms, marinas, will only be obvious after many generations of development. The idea that a project should do all the evolution in one single step is not very realistic. Blueseed is just one step that hopefully after a long series of steps will bring us there.

    So of course it will be “not very different” from what has been done before – this is exactly what we should expect and go for.

    Wil

    #16402
    Avatar of shredder7753
    shredder7753
    Participant

    i actually agree with u Smith. Blueseed IS just like Semester at Sea. the one exception is if the vessel is ‘permanently’ moored. its not seasteading the way that so many of us bought into it a few years ago after hearing/reading Patri’s grand vision. not in my opinion.

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    #16405
    Avatar of i_is_j_smith
    i_is_j_smith
    Participant

    Ken wrote:
    Neither the title and description of the forum says anything about a “seastead”.

    Since the title of the forum is “Active Seasteading Projects” and the description says “…actual active seasteading projects” I just assumed it had to do with seasteads.

    Ken wrote:
    Not to mention that not everyone would agree with your criteria of what constitutes a “seastead” anyway.

    Then it should probably be fine for Eslpru to talk about his Phi Boat on this forum. Or Shreddy’s bergstead.

    And like I said, you can do what you want. I was just expressing my opinion that Blueseed is not a seasteading project. I certainly wouldn’t care one way or the other if Dan started posting stuff about Blueseed in this forum.

    #16406
    Avatar of i_is_j_smith
    i_is_j_smith
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    ellmer - http://yook3.com wrote:
    smith, seasteading (and whatever we put into that artificial word) will not pop out from nowhere in a single step. It will evolve from afloat engineering that is there already.

    Yes, and Blueseed doesn’t do anything to advance the “afloat engineering that is there already”. It doesn’t do anything that countless oil rigs and cruise lines haven’t already done.

    Now if it was submerged. Or attached to the ocean floor. Or 250nm out to sea. Or grew all it’s own food. Or powered itself with only it’s own power systems. Or linked to the shore with an undersea data cable. Or had a working microwave relay system for high-speed network connections to the shore. Or flew their own flag. Or countless other engineering, social, or political advances that might help future seasteads to succeed.

    #16407

    well you might not be satisfied with the “amount of advance” – but it is certainly the first project that has “seasteading on the mental horizont” AND goes “beyond talking” – so this is certainly advance…

    #16415
    Avatar of i_is_j_smith
    i_is_j_smith
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    ellmer - http://yook3.com wrote:
    well you might not be satisfied with the “amount of advance” –

    There is no “amount of advance” because there is no advance.

    ellmer - http://yook3.com wrote:
    but it is certainly the first project that has “seasteading on the mental horizont” AND goes “beyond talking” – so this is certainly advance…

    Coming from a guy who has a 200ton concrete submarine, floating modular concrete structures, and has done plenty of work designing floating structures…I find it funny you would call Blueseed the “first project that has ‘seasteading on the mental horizon’ and goes ‘beyond talking’”. Seems like there were plenty of folks there first…yourself included.

    Like Ken said, I’m not going to turn this into a “what is seasteading” discussion. There were several suggestions calling Blueseed a seasteading project, and I wanted to voice my opinion that it is in no way a seasteading project, and that if the community felt that Blueseed discussions would be okay in this forum then other “fringe” projects should be included as well.

    #16419

    Blueseed certainly has something that sets it apart, and that is important. Funds! – I built the concrete submarine hull on a budget of 93.000 USD – the floating modular structures on even smaller budgets – so i am sure that i will have to learn a lot from blueseed – they should have funds that exceed my budget frames just for their hull paint…

    For some reason TSI does not pay much attention to the forums – and pops then up with a project that seems to have major funds behind it. I think they have taken the decision to do a selective networking with people that can provide funds instead of discussing a lot with the “general public” . The mere existance of blueseed might proove that this is the better strategy to come up with something.

    Maybe the “do nothing outlandish” is not an accident but a careful strategy to allow investors to join the project without fear. If there is a absolute critical part to seasteading it is funding and blueseed seems to be the most advanced project in the seasteading universe that got serious funding – so no doubt there is SOMETHING they figured out what the rest of us has not .

    I would like to step up and come to their level on the “funding engineering” front.

    What do you think?

    Wil

    concretesubmarine.com

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