Oceanstead Development International (OSDI)
December 10, 2009 at 3:54 am #8858
ellmer – http://yook3.comParticipant
I assume the situation in the keys is similar to Cartagena and other places in the caribbean – you have many dozends of small open boats full of tourists going out from the city area for diving, bathing, fishing, to the aquarium, for round trips trough the islands, all those boats need a place to stop by for having lunch having a rest in a hamac, refueling, cold beer – if you can establish MMK as a center of operation for all those small scale boating tours, it should be a quite profitable business.
WilDecember 11, 2009 at 9:53 am #8867
This is great, congratulations on your business!OCEANOPOLIS wrote:
Numbers are based on 120’ of total dockage
Well, MMK is small.
It seems it would be fairly easy to increase dockage space by building floating piers? Just standard rafts connected by their ends.December 11, 2009 at 11:45 am #8868
Guess who can sell you floating piers 😉
King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos.December 11, 2009 at 3:28 pm #8871
Thats the spirit. Lets sell something:-).
While it is true that we can easily increase dockage by adding floating docks around the MMK, there is a drawback to it., mostly related to dealing with waste. More liverboad boats around the MMK, will indeed generate more profit, but also more headaches. They will all have to have holding tanks and MMK should make sure that a zero overboard discharge policy is strictly enforced. Keep in mind we will be in the National Wildlife Refuge and I am sure that our presence there will be closely scrutinized by the Coast Guard….
Another problem is that while in the winter we might be able to offer 6 mo leases for our docks, in the summer we have to go month to month because of the hurricane season, in case a big one is coming and MMK have to leave that location for shelter. OSDI doesnt want to create a situation of breaching the cotracts in case MMK have to move. Also, this floating docks around the MMK will be a pain in the neck to deal with if we have to go. I wouldn’t be to happy towing 20 10 ‘x 5’ floating docks behind the MMK while running from a category 3 hurricane
OctavianDecember 11, 2009 at 9:33 pm #8873
Might I suggest simple waste recycling systems instead of waste disposal? We’ve got the plans for one and are going to be testing a miniature system capable of supporting approximately 5 people over the next 5 years.
I’ll mail you guys the results as/when we collect them. Though I can tell right off that you don’t have enough space on the MMK though. Perhaps we’ll have to adapt it for smaller structures… Interesting.
King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos.December 12, 2009 at 1:36 am #8875
There has to be accountablity in all actions we as the human species take…
Unfortunately, while this is an easy concept to grasp, most sectors of society fail miserably to fully comprehend the impact that their actions have or take the need to precautions to ensure future health and safety. As the next logical exodus in human history, the seasteading movement has the opportunity to chart these waters (unintended pun) in a way never before available. From the media resources available to the obvious public scrutiny we will garner in this endevour come the pressures that will allow/force us to face the realities of any potentially ecologically harmful action taken (including waste management).
Any tool/system we utilize must be designed, from the outset, to support and accomodate an “eco-friendly”/”Limited carbon imprint” mind set to offset any potentially anti-seasteading sentiment.
At least that is my thought process here.
JohnathanDecember 12, 2009 at 2:36 am #8876
Jon, I don’t like your use of “has to be” and “must be”. Ecological issues are a matter of opinion. I don’t mean to deny that there is a problem, but I personally just don’t care. If a company chooses not t care, so long as it’s legal, then that’s entirely up to them. It’s up to other companies to decide whether or not to deal with polluters. In short, it’s not your business whether or not anyone but yourself is polluting.
– NickDecember 12, 2009 at 11:17 am #8877
well, in this world now you can pretty much pollute as much as you want as long as it’s not CO2 (which is at worst, the least harmful thing produced as waste by industry, and at best, the giver of life)
Nick: I’d say that if you care about these things then it is your business whether others are polluting, because you need to know whether or not you want to take your business to that company.December 12, 2009 at 3:56 pm #8879
jtg! I agree with everything you posted there. Most people really do not understand the necessary changes that they would/will have to make in their lives to be eco friendly. They pour all that eco-crap into school children’s heads and are steadily pushing and passing laws that they, apparently, have no F-ing idea of the results of! I’m not opposed to this but I do understand what it’s going to mean…
Thief, the world is too small for people to have the kind of attitude you seem to have. Acid rain from China is killing the trees in the Pacific North West. Toxic waste dumped into the oceans is entering the food chain at the lowest levels on a world wide scale. I do what I can: I sort out my trash, recycle and I’m about as energy efficient as I can be but it’s not going to help. “Every little bit helps” is a lie for school children: I won’t eat the fish out of the local lake (even though they’ve been ‘declared’ safe) because of the PCBs that were dumped there years ago. What ‘they’ do is and must be ‘our’ business! If no one flushes the toilet, pretty soon we’ll all be swimming in $#!^…!December 12, 2009 at 5:07 pm #8880
Thief, considering it’s a thread about jtg’s company, his post about was “Has to be done” is entirely appropriate. Since his company is ruled by his opinion. And those of the other founders of course.
I have to defend Thief’s right to free choice though, on logos Thief would have the right to pollute as much as he wants, WITHIN his own property. Should any pollutants escape the confines of his land, he’d be liable for fines. Which means he’d have to live in a bubble of some sort to legally get away with it.
King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos.December 13, 2009 at 1:19 am #8883
I did qualify the statement with “At least that is my thought process here”…
I did this just for people like you. To let you know it was an expressed opinion. I would not force any to accept it as a trueth and am more than willing to discuss the issue but not here. I would like to keep this forum for OSDI related topics only (as much as is possible with such a group of passionate, intelligent, opinionated people).
BTW… Thank you all for weighing in on the topic, I did not realize it would create such an out pouring of emotions.
ps “Thief” you have named yourself perfectly well… your belief (stated as “I personally just don’t care”) will rob us all of our greatest assets. Our humanity, our planet, and the future… again “as I see it” (in other words “my opinion” for any who can not infer)December 13, 2009 at 2:10 am #8885
Ladies and Gentlemen
As I have said before… I would like to offer this forum up for everyone that has any idea for immediately profitable aspects of the SeaSteading field or finding a place to work in this emerging field. Please contact us, either privately or pubicly, (Octavian (Oceanopolis), Johnathan (jtg423), and/or Calin (Calin)) with any of these ideas.
Mainly we would like to talk to people who are into doing, on whatever scale, and not just talking. By pooling resources we will all be able to benefit. As I recently said in a private communication between xsndvd (Genesis) and the OSDI team “the ocean is big enough and the seasteading field broad enough for us all to benefit by working together” (or something along those lines).
JohnathanDecember 13, 2009 at 2:48 am #8886
I would like to offer this forum up for everyone that has any idea for immediately profitable aspects of the SeaSteading field or finding a place to work in this emerging field. Please contact us, either privately or pubicly, (Octavian (Oceanopolis), Johnathan (jtg423), and/or Calin (Calin)) with any of these ideas.
I think the following idea would be profitable and help progress seasteading.December 13, 2009 at 7:16 am #8887
I do like your idea and the WaterWalker concept. I did take a very close look @ the WW design that you presented at the conference. I think you have some structural weakness in the spars and the floats (the bouys). Hoping that you take this as “constructive” sugestions, and in no way as intrusive, I took the liberty to draw few sketches…
OctavianDecember 13, 2009 at 8:13 am #8889
Hey, it occured to me, since most of the people on this thread look like they’re all into the whole environment-thingy, don’t like government solutions to problems, and want something immediately profitable, why not start a service rating various companies/products on their eco-friendliness. Not silly EPA “No CO2” rules, actual stats on how much runoff, air particulate, and other stuff a company produces. As you build reputability (no clue how to do that), companies will start wanting you to rate them in a certain way. Companies you rate pooly will lose customers due to the damage to their reputation your poor rating will do them, and the opposite effect will happen to companies you rate highly. This should be a relatively low-overhead business, especially if you stick to posting your results online and do your own legwork. Building the reputation’s going to be the hardest part.
Hope this helps.
Oh, and if you do this and it turns out to be ungodly, incredibly profitable, I want royalties.
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