New donor-members forum section now open
July 29, 2009 at 11:57 pm #1022
Dear TSI Members,
We’ve granted all donor-members special access to our new TSI Member Only section of our online community forum. The forum is a place for members to discuss any subjects related or unrelated to Seasteading. We apologize for the delay in creating the forum, and we hope to see you there. The direct link to the forum is http://seasteading.org/forums/community/tsi-members.
Eric JacobusJuly 30, 2009 at 2:30 pm #7201
I don’t see how this’ll benefit anyone. Most of our great ideas come from open discussion with everyone, and there aren’t all that many paying members.
- NickAugust 1, 2009 at 7:40 pm #7227
It’s an attempt at providing additional benefits of joining that small group of donors, thereby expanding it. It’s better than nothing, in my opinion.
The paying members are probably all saying horrendous things about your mother right now. The only way to deny their claims and vindicate your family name is to donate to TSI and gain access to thier exremely exclusive forum.
I can’t think of any other effective ways to incentivise the donor membership program at the moment. Having a locked/private section is essentially free, so it’s hard to beat that on the cost side of things. Though I agree that open discussion generates more ideas, a smaller section of the forums where all users in that section have ‘proven’ their dedication to the cause by ‘putting their money where their mouth is’, might get more personalized attention from TSI staff than the free-for-all threads we post in now. I’m sure they follow most of it but they’re pretty busy with other things to respond to it all. If I miss a couple days, I often find almost 100 new messages that I have to catch up on. As much as I’d like them to read everything we write, I wouldn’t want them to each spend an hour a day (out of 8 or 12) just reading and responding to the forums.
Maybe they could discuss organizational politics and non-public budgets and plans in there. I’m sure the big ideas of strucures and social engineering will be kept public for the sake of progress but if they want to talk about which TPS report form to use, what percentage of business lunch receipts come from TGI Fridays over Applebee’s, or badmouthing our mothers… so be it. Let them have their fun if it helps pay the bills around here.
If you’re just dying to know what they’re really saying, there’s one way to find out.August 1, 2009 at 8:56 pm #7230
Another way to “incentivise” the memberships could be to hire a payment supplier other than Paypal. Their routines are, well, how should I put this… crap. I tried to register the other week but there is a moment 22 in their password routines so I couldn’t log in to my account or get a new password.
I’m sure I’ll get around to it eventually, if I get some time to wrestle with the issue. Just FYI…
And I agree that having private forums isn’t optimal. But I understand you’ve gotta bring in the bacon somehow.August 2, 2009 at 12:48 am #7236
DM, it’s nothing to do with me being jealous. I’ve been on plenty of forums with exclusive areas, but they all serve a good purpose. I just feel that here it’s counter-productive to the community and goals we’re working towards.
- NickAugust 3, 2009 at 1:10 am #7243
Thief, I didn’t mean to imply that you’re in any way jealous. I was just having fun with my response.
Essentially, I agree with you. Any idea that might potentially move this project forward would be best served by open discussion, not locked away in a private forum for just a few people.
My only main point that isn’t in line with what you said is that there might be a place for such a private forum, as long as nothing too important is said behind closed doors. The internal affairs and day-to-day workings of TSI are only mildly interesting to me, personally, so if that is the sort of thing people wanted to discuss in the private forum, maybe that’s one potential use for it. As long as we have a general idea about the main policies that are being pursued, the rest is just … interesting.
Maybe a compromise might be a forum that anyone can read but only paid members can post in. Any truely useful ideas could still be discussed in a new thread but the thread itself could remain uncluttered by posts from other members.August 3, 2009 at 2:06 am #7244DM8954 wrote:
Maybe a compromise might be a forum that anyone can read but only paid members can post in. Any truely useful ideas could still be discussed in a new thread but the thread itself could remain uncluttered by posts from other members.
Sure, I’d support that.
Like you said about them takling behind people’s backs, imagine there’s an interesting idea that the paying members happened to all think was crap (unlikely, but possible). Rather than talk about the idea, and whats wrong with it or how it could improve, they can just go to their paid section and laugh, which doesn’t benefit the cause really.
That’s an extreme example of the problems I’m talking about, of course.
- NickAugust 4, 2009 at 8:54 pm #7274
I like the idea: i wouldnt mind a higher signal to noise ratio in discussions, and perhaps such a filter would provide that.
If not, nothing is lost.October 10, 2009 at 1:12 am #8097
Is it possible to make(take) a license agreement for a forum? if possible by all means do so, like, any idea that is shared here cannot be used for commerical purposes except for the idea owner and can not be shared with unrelated 3rd persons etc… Since almost every (original ones) idea and design here lacks protection by patent and copyright laws. If such thing is possible (which is unlikely in my opinion, though i would like to think its possible) the quality of arguements and critics will highly improve when it comes to professional scale. There are people who can’t share all the details of their work. If such license ever exists for donor member forums, i believe many people would like to take part in that forum. I am not professional in 3d design but if i ever show what i got here i might as well have doubts about it being stolen, its not really important in my case, but i believe there are many people around which gives importance to this… And i think it might draw attention of some professionals, and they can easily share their ideas without doubt, which in turn would be greatly beneficial to tsi since it could broaden their knowledge and ideas on it… I browsed this site for the first time yesterday, then went thru some research about it, even if patri is a pro when it comes to browse researching, i m sure he knows as well that you cant reach any professional designs in detail in lotsa stuff with ease. If there is any legal document guaranteeing such rights about your donor members forum which i can view beforehand, i would really like to be in too… For a better sharing of knowledge… And i dont actually quite agree with the idea of having open convos. number of ideasOctober 10, 2009 at 3:06 am #8099
something like a NDA(non-disclosure agreement) might work for the protection, if someone could figure out how to effectively implement this among the members. NDA’s are commonly used in business practice all the time for stuff like this. I doubt it will be easy getting it all worked out, especially looking at all the international members the TSI has attracted.
Even if it was set up effectively, I doubt I would share any of my ideas that would need this type of protection you suggested anyways. Sorry, but I don’t trust people I have not met in person so easily with this type of sensitive information/conversations. And I don’t think you will get much professional input by anybody if this was set up, because I’m pretty sure they will be hesitant like I am with this sort of stuff.
If anything, I wouldn’t want to have to deal with the headache of tracking this online person down and going through a legal system to prosecute this person for taking my idea and making money off of it. It would take a long time, and I just wouldn’t need to be dealing with it along with trying to keep a seastead running, with it being in it’s infancy and all.
I think the members of this forum have done pretty well overall in keeping the background static to a minimum in the threads. I mean, have you been on many other forums? Some of them are so full of crap and people getting into arguments of stupid, off topic stuff, that can last for dozens of postings before they get somebody to bring it back to the topic.October 10, 2009 at 10:25 am #8104
Sky i am already pleased with forums quality, and i do agree with you that it would really be bothersome. And i didnt mean to use such protection for normal forums, i was talking about donor forums only. I thought it could be encouraging for pro networking in this line of business, not many people will actually have faith in such protection that is for certain, but it gives people the impression you are dead serious about this project thoughOctober 11, 2009 at 2:04 am #8132
Btw can someone approve my donor membership sometime soon…
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