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  • #1686
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    pie_in_the_sky
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    Hello All,

    I understand that the focus of this community is to create new habitable space in international waters. That is a fantastic goal, and I hope to see it happen as soon as possible.

    I wonder if there is any similar movement with the goal of occupying a sparsely populated territory? For instance, a place like Kerguelen? I imagine if a sizeable number of individuals move to one of these locations, then there is a chance of them successfully seceding from the nation which claims it. In fact, if things get out of hand in the coming 10-15 years because of the outcome of a bursting Bond and Stock bubble, then clever political maneuvering can make that secession goal easier.

    In any case, I am mostly wondering if anyone is aware of such a movement. Thanks for your time all, and have a wonderful weekend!

    #16170
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    I kind of suggested that sometime ago. http://seasteading.org/interact/forums/community/dreaming-/-crazy-ideas-/-speculation/clipperton-island. But for the moment, I haven’t heard of such movment. It’s funny somehow, because both (Clipperton Atoll and Kerguelen) are French territory :) I’d go for Clipperton,.. better climate.

    Given the Occupy Movment, I won’t be surprised at all to see a lots of people buying into this idea, if advertised. Everything in life is timing.

    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Clipperton+Atoll&view=detail&mid=59D89E9A3F4813AA1F8859D89E9A3F4813AA1F88&first=0&FORM=LKVR8

    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=clipperton+island&view=detail&mid=7B74947B3335438A7A757B74947B3335438A7A75&first=0&FORM=LKVR3

    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Clipperton+Atoll&view=detail&mid=46C6EFA5942BBFFCEFB846C6EFA5942BBFFCEFB8&first=0&FORM=LKVR4

    Needs a bit of cleaning and terraforming, but otherwise nice reef around it.

    #16186
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    pie_in_the_sky
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    Clipperton looks gorgeous. I woudn’t mind living there.

    So, you believe there is no official movement similar to New Hampshire’s Free State Project, only for a relatively sparse island? That is disappointing.

    #16193
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    not be the proper words here,…I have no knowledge of any “occupy an island” movement. But that’s just me.

    Why disappointed? Au contraire! (uhh,.. French for “on the contrary” >>>joke) Since nobody did it, just grab it and make it happen. I think it’s an exellent idea.

    #16201
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    pie_in_the_sky
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    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    Why disappointed? Au contraire! (uhh,.. French for “on the contrary” >>>joke) Since nobody did it, just grab it and make it happen. I think it’s an exellent idea.

    Well, shouldn’t you be the one to start the ball rolling, as you have brought the subject up years ago?

    #16211
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    I guess so… But it was you who brought it up in the context of the “occupy movement”! So, TY, but no, thanx. I’m a bit busy with other things now.

    #16270
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    realpra
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    I’m thinking about claiming Knock John, anyone can join, the more molotov cocktails I have with me the merrier!

    That is unless this forum is dominated solely by dreamers actually scared of the water…

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    #16272
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    Sealand, nowadays? If so, leave them alone! They’re cool :)

    #16289
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    Different platform of same design, you should read our blogs ;)

    Sealand is on the “Rough Sands” platform I think.

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    #16895
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    Baked – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Dependency_of_Forvik

    The question is, how much “illegal activity” would the nominal owning country tolerate? Sealand seems to get away with a lot, but if they threatened UK economic interests, that place would be boarded and torn down in short order.

    Rockall, Hasslewood, and the surrounding skerries are looking quite interesting. As long as the colony doesn’t start mining oil, or taking too much fish, they’ll probably be left alone. It’s only about 750 sq.m. though, so you wouldn’t be able to be self sufficient in land crops. But perhaps it will be possible to spread nets to grow sea crops on, massively expanding your food supply? Almost certainly though, you’d be able to buy food from the mainland with little problems (save for the ~200 mile round trip). Best to buy from one of the claiments, since then you don’t have to mess around with customs (from their perspective, you’re still pottering around in their waters). Still the need to find a source of money. Unfortunately, the very actions required to colonise Rockall would make it much more valuable, since it would be proven able to sustain economic activity and human habitation, and thus would be able to claim a 200nm EEZ, so the macronations would take a lot more notice.

    But that’s mine, waiting on me building a boat capable of making the trip, so don’t you guys go colonising it…

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