May 19, 2008 at 8:57 am #483
I see the initial establishment of a permanent ocean-centric community as an important step in being able to design new forms of social structure and technology to actually live there full time. There is a huge need for specialization of labour, and one of those specialities is almost certainly going to be transportation to and from the seastead to shore for both goods and people.
- I think a mothership is the best way to start. If Greenpeace can operate ships with a non-commercial agenda, then captialists should be able to make a go of independent shipping.
- Plenty of “tramp” ships have existed until at least recent decades. Probably still do. Competitive advantage in this case would be the specific audience being catered to (seasteaders) and reputation and trust established within that community.
- There are other markets as well- the independent copra market has declined in recent years in many Pacific islands because collection had a fairly low margin. However, this low margin might be supplemented in other ways, again by building relationships.
- Copra could provide a source for biodiesel mathed by a need for biodiesel in the Seastead community. Ta-da! symbiosis.
- As I pointed out in the Cost thread, percentages in some fairly large and capable used ships are easily within the range of a terrestrial home purchase.
- Condominiums manage to make individual investment in community housing not only feasible, but very economically efficient.
- It would need to be a process of application and approval, to ensure the correct mix of skills and temperaments, with resumes and interviews, and possibly probationary periods.
This should probably be cross-posted to the Industry thread.May 21, 2008 at 3:20 am #2145
what exactly are meaning when you say a mother ship. do you mean a ship that acts like a floating base of operations for a fledglilng seastead community which could be used to transport all of the basic neccessities to and fro as well as to help manage all of the personal interactions untill the seasteading was situated or what? pleeeeaaaaasssseee enlighten me.May 21, 2008 at 10:27 am #2164
Essentially, you’ve grasped my meaning. I mean a vessel large enough to be its own community (doesn’t have to be a large community) probably operated as a corporation or co-op, that would be part of the seasteading community, and provide specialized services such as transport, perhaps construction, etc. It would be able to service several Seasteads in a reasonably large geographical area. It could even be the HQ of the Seasteading Institute in future, or perhaps of the Seastead Corporation once a commercial venture gets off the ground. A lot of credibility could be gained for the movement of there was a permanent community already living upon the sea, dedicated to furthering that goal. It would also bring in some traditional experience and people who are not necessarily interested in or comfortable with developing entirely new technologiesMay 21, 2008 at 6:10 pm #2191
i get what you are saying and i agree that having a mobile platform from which to operate such as this is a good idea but what about the inherent issues that a ship has with the sea such as rusting, sinking, as well as all of the other problems associated with ships. Problems aside, there are lots of ideas about the mother ship that could increase the interest of the world population in seasteads. here are a couple of ideas.
May 21, 2008 at 8:52 pm #2196
- one option concerning the ship is that it could be modified so that it is just like a seastead but not based on the actual design so that it could give vistors interested in seasteads a way viewing what a fully operatioinal seastead might be like
- another option for the mothership is that besides being a transport vessel and corporate headquarters it could also serve as a liason between individual seastead communities
- these are just a couple of ideas if anybody has anymore please post them
I don’t see any physical problems associated with ships that don’t exist for every floating structure, in fact, ships are easier to design in many ways, because the inherent assumptions inlcude less self-reliance
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