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  • #9474
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    elspru
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    I’ve had visions of north pacific floating islanders.

    I carry on somewhat of a telepathic correspondence with their universe.

    They make boxes with plant reinforcing (reed/bamboo) and concrete.

    The cement is produced on the island from resources gathered,

    like sea shells and sea water. kilned in some underground chambers.

    these boxes are then attached below the island or on its surface.

    repairs and extra boxes under with the help of a submarine,

    with arms and hydraulic concrete injector.

    there is a pool of water or inlet on the island.

    the island is shaped somewhat like a u or wide v, like cone.

    they figure they’ll displace more water,

    also helps with defense as the edges are relatively steep,

    only the inlet/bay entrance requires protecting,

    there are towers on either side,

    that might be fitted with doors.

    generally it’s pretty simple living,

    everyone seems to be in bathing suits,

    forest gardening on the island,

    and growing aquatic things in the inlet,

    as well as some surrounding fresh water ponds on higher ground,

    that slowly drain into the inlet.

    For navigation,

    there are underwater “rudders” or hydro-sails,

    basically for moving from one ocean current to another,

    or moving around on an ocean current.

    “there are propellers, but we don’t use them anymore, they are more of a historical necessity from when the island was smaller, nowdays we use the wind sails across the mountain rims with the hydro sails if we really need to move, like to avoid a stormy zone of the ocean, ocean currents are pretty slow, so it’s typically pretty smooth sailing.

    we keep a keel consisting of concrete tubes and boxes,

    we expand it as the island expands.

    eventually the island might get to big to control with directly, so we’d have to get some kind of tugs, or future availalbe technology,

    hopefully can remain in the ocean avoiding landfall, which might turn this into a coastal island.”

    my main contact looks like a teenage boy, and has some goggle sunglasses, he also uses for work underground, kilning and welding.

    there’s a family of his on the island, there’s a woman not much older than him, which also drifts into the image pretty often, might be a mother or sister figure.

    for power they use wind power, solar power, electromagnetic resonance gathering (radio power),

    but also underwater hydro power, when they go against the current, like “sailing windward”, the hydro-turbines are effective.

    #9481
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    tusavision
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    xnsdvd wrote:

    Spent some time refining my design. So, critique away!

    King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos.

    When I engaged in a discussions of seasteading when I was a teenager, I was always partial to a platform composed of modular individual self contained submersible ships which were hexagonal to fascilitate networking.

    Having aged a few years: I still like the idea of hexagonal building blocks. From a structural standpoint: I think the contact points should be large inflatible tubes which are tied to the edges of the ships for both buyancy, and shock absorbtion. Any way to make the overall shape springy enough to survive distorion and bounce back in to shape sounds goo in my book.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hexapod_positioner_aka_Stewart_platform_x2.jpg

    A stewart platform could just as easily drive hydraulic piston pumps as it could be driven by them and for that reason, as well as the additional flexibility: I now advocate a tri-gonal shape(eq triangle with the corners chopped off.) These triangles form hexagons, and when moored together with “bungee cords” and floating on 3 yellow pontoons at the surface… It would be bother resistant to, but absorbing of pulling and pushing forces. Each individual ship would divide up the force input amongst eachother.

    #9483
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    J.L.-Frusha
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    These are great! Just have to seal them from corrosion. Could use them as pneumatic pumps, store the compressed air and use it to operate machinery. Use one on alternating sides of a hexagon to give the needed flex to attach floating platforms, use the wave-energy damping to pump air into tanks…

    Later,

    J.L..F.

    If you can’t swim with the big fish, stick to the reef

    #9484
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    elspru
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    I’ve just finished reading through most of this site and it sounds like their are two camps. One, let’s get everyone’s input into the perfect design for a uptopia – rebuild civilization. Two(much smaller), let’s get something in the water and see what we need to deal with then – grow civilization. I’m in camp Two.

    A mobile block of submersible concrete would solve more problems than it creates. HHO power works (don’t flame me on this I have one) but needs to be developed. Hydroponics work in the ocean water and the resulting water is pretty clean. I can’t think of any survival systems that aren’t addressed here.

    Coral reefs take a long time to build and the first couple of steads aren’t going to last that long anyway. So let’s build something cheap, reuseable, reconfigurable, and clean. I’m willing to be that the old addage “no plan survives contact with the environment” will show that 90% of what everyone’s focusing on will be moot.

    Case in point: My wife and I decided that a leaking bath tub was just not a good thing and set about design a haven from the kids. We ended up sequentially dealing with so many little issues like crooked walls and concreted in broken plumbing, I am gutting and rebuilding what was there just to have the kids out of my own bathroom.

    I just finished modeling hex’s and they don’t lock together as well as octogons, so here’s my updated suggestion.

    The platforms can be whatever shape they need to be and the pods can be used for whatever.

    This is great, can use geometric balancing,

    if they were phi time wider than they are tall,

    then each could be used individually,

    reminiscent of huts.

    could tug one behind a sailboat,

    like a trailer.

    the bottom compartment could be the cellar to hold heavy items,

    the top an attic, the middle being the main living space,

    Noah’s arc was a circular boat,

    This is octagonal,

    but also highly modular and stackable,

    if stacking on the ocean, we’d need some creative solutions,

    perhaps could attatch four together, let two fill with water so the whole thing tilts sideways,

    then attatch one on top, then drain so it lifts again.

    exciting yay! :D

    btw, does this shape have a name?

    I’m wondering how to calculate the volume.

    #9500
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    FreedomFighter
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    I was thinking maybe Octopod. The idea is that it’s a self-contained unit. Power, water, environment, whatever’s needed for four people. I got the idea while trying to size a concrete submarine for a family of 9. Not gonna happen.

    I watched our friends house being built in a modular fashion. Each room was brought in and stacked, then roofed over. The doorways, service, and ductwork were all located to connect at more or less common locations.

    I realized I don’t need a habitat for 9 people, I just need a bunch of linkable habs. Get the cost down low and I can build a veritable mansion on the sea. Build them submersible and I don’t have to worry about waves. Put a geodesic dome on top and I’ve got a top side living space that is somewaht sheltered.

    All the facets can have common linking points to share power, water, sewer, and air. Put a hydroponics hab in the middle and voila! Fresh air and food. I see a lot of promise using seawater for the nutrients.

    Get some tinkerer to perfect this water-for-fuel stuff and, again, voila! unlimited power.

    Some people are gonna want to live topside, others down below. Get pissed at your neighbors, pack your crap, disconnect and go. There’s already an SME (subject matter expert) on the concrete subs that can make the first habs. SME’s on just about everything already exist. Looks like you guys just need a green light.

    #9513
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    elspru
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    I was thinking maybe Octopod. The idea is that it’s a self-contained unit. Power, water, environment, whatever’s needed for four people. I got the idea while trying to size a concrete submarine for a family of 9. Not gonna happen.

    I watched our friends house being built in a modular fashion. Each room was brought in and stacked, then roofed over. The doorways, service, and ductwork were all located to connect at more or less common locations.

    I realized I don’t need a habitat for 9 people, I just need a bunch of linkable habs. Get the cost down low and I can build a veritable mansion on the sea. Build them submersible and I don’t have to worry about waves. Put a geodesic dome on top and I’ve got a top side living space that is somewaht sheltered.

    All the facets can have common linking points to share power, water, sewer, and air. Put a hydroponics hab in the middle and voila! Fresh air and food. I see a lot of promise using seawater for the nutrients.

    Get some tinkerer to perfect this water-for-fuel stuff and, again, voila! unlimited power.

    Some people are gonna want to live topside, others down below. Get pissed at your neighbors, pack your crap, disconnect and go.

    Well if some of these houses get ferrocemented together on the ocean to become an island,

    seperating might not be very viable, though I’m sure alternative boats or means of maneuvering is doable.

    as long as the islands have below dunbar’s number they could get along like a tribe.

    There’s already an SME (subject matter expert) on the concrete subs that can make the first habs.

    Wil Ellmer is the only expert on Concrete Submarines that I know.

    And he’s signed a non-proliferation agreement.

    So we’re going to have to become SME’s in order to utilize the technology.

    Hopefully some of us will stay open source, and spread the teachings of how it’s done.

    SME’s on just about everything already exist.

    Looks like you guys just need a green light.

    I’m not currently employeeing anyone,

    though I do have family and friends that could help out on a project.

    At the current moment,

    I’m pretty set on making non-profit octapod manufacturing compan(ies).

    Also producing affordable boats.

    Creating affordable water homes with distributed production.

    Here are some relevant blog posts about non-profit company organization:

    http://lokiworld.org/wordpress/?p=612

    http://lokiworld.org/wordpress/?p=621

    Tell me what you think.

    Perhaps you’d be interested in participating in such a tribe company.

    We can also use the atom-tribe-company structures on floating islands.

    happy happy love joy :D *hugs*

    Lowki

    #9568
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    sda1950
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    Have you considered using a hinge like a piano hinge on each edge. One side of the hinge could be mounted on each edge. When it’s time to join another Hexatoon, two pins each half the length of the hinge could be inserted from the ends of the hinge.

    #9569
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    J.L.-Frusha
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    sda1950 wrote:

    Have you considered using a hinge like a piano hinge on each edge. One side of the hinge could be mounted on each edge. When it’s time to join another Hexatoon, two pins each half the length of the hinge could be inserted from the ends of the hinge.

    Floating objects move in 3 axises, pitch(nose-to-tail), roll(side-to-side) and yaw(end-to-end). Pitch is movement around the side-to-side axis. Roll is movement around the length axis. Yaw is movement around the vertical axis.

    Later,

    J.L..F.

    If you can’t swim with the big fish, stick to the reef

    #9570
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    FreedomFighter
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    I was thinikng more along the lines of something that could be detached quickly if necessary. It would need to be modular inside of the overall structure. The pods could be reconfigured quickly for different needs, or changed out.

    Something like a container locks onto a yard trailer in a seaport.

    #9577
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    I was thinikng more along the lines of something that could be detached quickly if necessary. It would need to be modular inside of the overall structure. The pods could be reconfigured quickly for different needs, or changed out.

    Something like a container locks onto a yard trailer in a seaport.

    octapod corner beams exposed,

    with area enough to put your arm through between corner and hull.

    corner reinforced with steel cover,

    covered for preservation in ocean environment.

    put ropes under exposed corner

    to tie octapod steads together temporarily,

    can also hang bumpers,

    or walkways,

    example a party.

    or weld beams to the structural steel corners for permanent togetherness,

    example a floating island.

    on the ocean, where the waves do move.

    best to tie boats as close together as possible,

    perhaps even hull to hull or hugging a bumper.

    smaller distances imply less potential energy.

    So could get the hull’s together by rope,

    and then clamp or hold them together with something stronger.

    the doors can be positioned in a predictable and-or matchable place,

    probably opening sideways or inwards,

    so when hull to hull the door’s can be opened and allow sharing of space.

    tranquil aware desire choice love express intuit channel

    Elspru

    #9661
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    FreedomFighter
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    Yep, that’s pretty much it.

    #9739
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    FreedomFighter wrote:

    I just finished modeling hex’s and they don’t lock together as well as octogons, so here’s my updated suggestion.

    What’s the advantage of your octogon things over Rhombic dodecahedron?

    Οὐκ ἐμεῦ ἀλλὰ τοῦ λόγου ἀκούσαντας ὁμολογέειν σοφόν ἐστι, ἓν πάντα εἶναι.

    #9825
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    elspru
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    Altaica wrote:

    I just finished modeling hex’s and they don’t lock together as well as octogons, so here’s my updated suggestion.

    What’s the advantage of your octogon things over Rhombic dodecahedron?

    Οὐκ ἐμεῦ ἀλλὰ τοῦ λόγου ἀκούσαντας ὁμολογέειν σοφόν ἐστι, ἓν πάντα εἶναι.

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    we can experiment with different shapes.

    the octopod is easy to build,

    more friendly to furniture.

    the spaces inbetween the tethered octopods can be used for many purposes,

    like a diving or surfacing point for

    people and animals.

    the space between the octopods can be sealed with ferrocement and evacuated to increase boyancy.

    also can be used as the “hall” or navigating between the octopods.

    doubtlessly people would prefer you go around their hull than through it to get to your destination unrelated to them.

    tranquil aware desire choice love express intuit channel

    #9913
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    FreedomFighter
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    Altaica: Because I say so. Just kidding. I believe it is the best balance between cost, function, ultility, standardization that we could start out with. There are going to be better shapes for other environments.

    A cube would mean that we would have to develop cybernetic implants and nanobots. Also, it would not survive being submerged to any depth without being unnecessarily thick. A sphere would have no surface area to lock things together. Any resulting assembled shape would bend and flex. Putting any kind of platform on this would be impossible. Using these things like building blocks to create a larger space for, say, a dry dock to make more octopods would also be impossible.

    elspru: Yes, that’s what I’m envisioning. With something like a standard airlock and service connection at all side faces, a topside port that can lock into a bottom port on another pod. Or even the off-axis facets having the locking features built into them. The bottom port could also function as a moon pool.

    Anybody: Have any input on a sphereical living space that would comfortably house four people for any length of time? Or maybe the thinking should be in terms of one pod per person? With all systems designed around supporting that person.

    #9938
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    FreedomFighter
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    Here’s a couple of sketches for scale and layout. Bear in mind that these are shells and can be filled with whatever layout will fit into it and float. Also, These are my habitation unit ideas. If I run out of space, I can add another one for some other purpose. Like a dedicated hydroponics unit, water processing, power station, or a machine shop.

    These are meant to be cast in reusable molds with the reinforcements and hatch points cast right in.

    The little dude with the smile is me after I get a couple of these suckers built.

    Here’s a grid floorplan:

    The layout is true for all decks and the hatches can be expanded depending on how deep it needs to be able to go.

    Here’s a different layout for all you Jupiter II fans:

    The strength will come from the shell.

    The reason they need to be able to submerge is for waves and construction. I envision them being added from the sides and bottom. It’s a lot easier to hook something together with out serious wave action. Think of it as space flight, but underwater.

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