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  • #14204
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    Dervogel707
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    By the way that does not make us a fascist state.

    #14208
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    i_is_j_smith
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    Why aren’t women required to serve?

    #14212
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    xns
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    I can’t believe I’m saying this but… I agree with Smith.

    As someone who’s served in Singapore’s Army for 2 years I have to say, our society has a massive gap in understanding and culture between our male and female halves. Physical strength isn’t much of a factor these days, women can perform just as effectively as men in most situations, granted, it will be harder because they’re not genetically programmed to build muscle as quickly, and logistically it’ll be tough to account for periods, but that’s nothing compared to the other challenges you’ll face.

    Alternatively, you could foster a very subservient female culture by making it mandatory for them to become nurses/medics as the men go for combat training. Not something I’d advise though, because I can’t stand spineless women, but it would be very effective.

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    #14213
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    wohl1917
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    in serve in the militia? The answer is yes, and in the same manner and proportion as men. Women share equally in the benefits of the Republic and so should share equally in the burdens. To not expect them to serve would only reinforce sexist stereotypes that create injustice and perpetuate all kinds of ideas and attitudes that are as outdated today as they are useless! On the other hand, there are people who just are not military material and to make them serve in not only wrong its stupid and bad for morale. You want people who want to serve! For these reasons, in the OCR the people have three choices: serve in the Militia, serve in the Unarmed Civil service or pay restitution (a nominal fee for not serving). All Citizen Captains, Subject Citizens and Subjects sixteen to sixty years of age constitute the Inactive Reserve of the Naval Militia. Every Citizen Captain, Subject Citizen and Subject who chooses to serve in the Active Reserve shall serve two days per month and two weeks per year in the Militia or Unarmed Civil Service. The only people who are not expected to serve are dependent children and adults and the Primary Caregivers who take care of them (II.2.4-5-5b).

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    xns wrote:
    I can’t believe I’m saying this but… I agree with Smith.

    I can believe it. It is the only rational and logical course of action.

    Another question: Where are you going to get enough HK G3s to outfit your army? Do you know how much on G3 costs? You can’t even purchase them legally, since they are a military weapon. If you’re lucky you’ll get a civilian HK-911 or something.

    Let alone an HK P11. I’m pretty sure those are military-only as well.

    You’re better off walking into a market in Africa and purchasing a bunch of AK-47s in bulk for a few dollars a piece.

    #14215
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    As the current leader of the Unified Trading Clans, I must wonder what you need a military for… with the capability to field perhaps a Century* or two, you’re not going to be able to take on many land regimes. You’d be better off, being a seastead, focusing on the Navy, and having Marine’s as the land extension of that, with a small aircraft carrier for the air forces. Though I still don’t know why a Steastead will need more than a defensive force… if you go to war with other Seasteads (which personally I’d love to see), you’re going to get sunk quickly, and land based nations will be able to sink you easily.

    *I don’t believe you, or other seasteads, are going to get very large – perhaps a few hundred people – so 1-200 men will be all you’ll be able to call up for service. Yes, I think the Century is going to be the largest unit in Seastead Militaries.

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    #14216
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    I am not sexist, I mean women can serve if they would like to and be given no problems because they are women. If women were required everyone would be in the military. They can joinj if they please but we do need other jobs rather than everyone being in the military.

    #14217
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    Dervogel707
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    Terraforme, this is not really a military more like a militia.

    #14221
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    wohl1917
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    here is fact that seems to have escaped you: for every combat soldier in the field there are at least 4 to 7 mission essential support personnel.

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    Avatar of Dervogel707
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    I dont think this military is even that essential, but could not hurt have.

    #14225
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    What I’m saying is, you don’t really need a militia capable of fighting on land. The only thing you’re seriosuly going to be defending against are pirates and rogue seasteads – which is going to be naval combat. You’re only going to be wanting to defend your territory… if otherwise, then you’re going to attract unwanted attention.

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    #14226
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    Terraformer wrote:

    What I’m saying is, you don’t really need a militia capable of fighting on land. The only thing you’re seriosuly going to be defending against are pirates and rogue seasteads – which is going to be naval combat. You’re only going to be wanting to defend your territory… if otherwise, then you’re going to attract unwanted attention.

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    Seasteading is to Boat Living what Traction Cities are to Vandwelling – simply a matter of scale.

    this is true. we dont want to attract the wrong attention. one time i was walking thru the mall with a friend who could bench press 400lbs. these dudes came up and tried to instigate him just because he looked tough. we should have a defensive force.

    also there really is no need to have an all male military! on the contrary, the only time that hand to hand combat should be necessary is if we are boarded by an invading force. IF THAT WAS THE CASE than everybody needs to have as much skill as their talent would allow.

    most of the time if another force tries to attack you, your gonna try to sink them. that is why we should be talking about rockets instead of handguns. (yes rockets are available on the ‘black market’ – which is not the black market if your on the open ocean and there is no actual jurisdiction against them)

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    #14231
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    Yes actualy I do now agree with that. I do think we need some kind of military and police force. Just because we are a seastead does not mean we will not be attacked. I know of a past seastead that was bombed out by German forces.

    #14244
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    But a small seastead is not going to be able to pick a fight with the Macronations and win – right does not make might. Take a look at Sealand – the UK government could destroy the Principality easily, but there would be public outrage over it. The only fights that have ever occured over it have been between small groups.

    Which suggests a two pronged defense strategy for Seasteads: a lot of publicity to ensure public opinion prevents Macronations from crushing us (implying that we have to have 1st world nations as neighbours?) and small arms and a militia to defend against pirates and other small groups. It’s probably best to stay away from 3rd world backwaters for the time being, until we get strong enough to take on their militaries.

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    #14263
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    Why the hell would we need an army! a navy yes….but an army? doesn’t really make alot fo sense…

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