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  • #1492
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    Seasteader-
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    This is a repost below that should have been placed here, so it’s here, instead of being justr on Vounteer Opportunities. Added it for your opinion being somewhat new in SS.org. Look forward to hearing from anyone ready to commit if at all.

    Just throwing out some ideas off the top, don’t bother if not nicely written, though quite serious due to the eminent domain or lack of alloidal issue (and lack of Bar Council actions to address) in many nations if not bad laws or greedy politicians and entitlements or GLC profiteering, abusive justice system, nepotism, cronyism etc..

    OK. This is to set up a simple Colony. The concept I am offering here may have been made before – that is to tether together and anchor regular sea worthy craft or, still floating craft on last legs (for cost purposes) in a floating city of used ships that are :

    1) anchored to piled scrap that should be seeded with coral building or organic slow degrading waste to stabilized colonies / For the central ‘island’, I suggest engineless ships , perhaps tankers be bought and tethered together and anchored to the selected sea stead spot. Junking of multiple ships then coral seeding be considered to add ‘land’.

    2) Anchored semi-scrap tankers or super-cargo vessels and pontoons

    3) semi scrap cargo vessels filled with earth, anchored and converted to plantations/land

    Thats about it. Each person contributes what cash or vessel they can. General citizenship agreement.

    Potential Problems

    Autonomous areas for ‘offensive’ r incompatable colony areas (such as :

    a) loudspeaker praying types vs quiet ALL THE TIME types

    b) incense/offering / cow dung burning types

    c) RLDs / Organics growers for personal consumption vs Moralists – (look up on growing Hash, Coca or Khat too! Poppy and Shrooms too but these would be sale prohibited items internally for citizens and sold at canned drink prices to outsiders (will certainly be a draw)! LEGALLY on legal artificial land masses.

    d) 2nd Amendment types vs No Guns types.

    More Ideas / Considerations

    As we know the beauty of such colonies is that sections can be moved at will. So the lest sociable relatively or diametrically opposed could actually not be connected by pontoons or direct pathways.

    Being not particularly wealthy should not be an issue, and profiteering should not be applied to cizitenships, but contribution of enough pontoons for agriculture to feed oneself should be every colonist’s minimum contribution if not infusions of cash for the wealthy in place of living space for growing. For the wealthy, they could invite 3rd world immigrants to work in lieu of paying for living space but this itself should be subject to some kind of minimum wage. I’d invite some of those Libyan fighters or some of the better IRA to act as a secuirty force, though just the more open minded ones who’d rather guard a Seastead from pirates with their AA guns or Stingers than hang aound North Africa or the Isles waiting for an unmanned drone or collapsed economy to do them in.

    Sugest also : International official neutral observers overseers from suggested groups – UN/NAM/BRICS 3 reps. Maybe we need security as well? Up to any or all to be their own militia otherwise.

    Uniformed services like Fire/Medical(Naturopath) – a single hospital or fire-dousing ship should be contributed by the wealthier – it’s a humanitarian thing and all sane people would rather not be ill EVER. Invite a doctor or surgeon on board just in case. Mid wealth level people who are interested in Seasteads could be invited to add these 2 facilities which should be the minimum, apart from ‘covered’ Farmsteads.

    8) Education? This is going to be a colony of 50 I presume? Easily if a handful of families, which will make educational facilities a concern. However, untrained persons including children (who make most handbags and clothes) can specialize even in technical / electrician’s or engineering skills sufficiently.

    Consider that formal education apart from language and common sense or a sense of ethics is not really important at all? Possible. But lowers each generation of colonists’ value to the ‘landed world’ to the point theyu’d seem like ‘Waterworld’ (1998) outcasts. This is a frontier type concept, though, so unless peple intend to WORK or return to formal landed nations of this day, we don’t really need certificates or formal education (or high fees) any more. It is important to make easily understandable media records of how to fix or do things. Thus the tech level of the colony should not be too complicated or spares of critical electronics should be purchased every few years or whenever supplies are replenished (should try not to be dependent in either case).

    9) Organics and pollution issues? Separate colonies for polluters? Or should only non-polluters be allowed?

    10) What kind of laws? Try the one or 2 articles, and consider :
    http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=318515515322&topic=16824

    For prison worthy stuff, a period of exile to the horrible polluted existing nations should do fine.

    General

    I’d expect lots of tax evaders or quasi criminal types, or those ostracised for their lifestyles (want to grow weed peacefully but put into jail comes to mind) to be attracted to the concept but that would be up to Patr

    Any responses will be appreciated. The GMO, radioactivity, taxes (there must be NO TAXES on Seasteads! But a minimum contribution for sale of citizenship or at least open mooring rights perhaps? This should be done on a case by case basis.)

    GET MOVING (Talking about Seasteads for years but not a single colony?)

    If you’re a Venus Project person, don’t post to me. It’s a beat round the bush and waste your time outfit. Lots of talks and seminars and hope but not a single concrete action. I hope Seasteading won’t turn out like that. A single person with average wealth, say 401K, could buy a used super-cargo and anchor it somewhere fairly calm with enough agricultural pontoons piled up with fertile earth to support 50 people in as soon as 2 weeks. So far hasn’t anyone thought to do that but beat around the bush?

    Just some ideas anyway. Any counters or additions or whatever on what it suggested? The political system changes at a SNAILS pace and after spending near a decade and half of activism that may have near killed me (lots of unpleasantness in any case).

    If this GE doesn’t get them, I’m not going to waste my time. Life’s too short which is why Sea steading even came up at all. Thats why am here at Seasteading.org.

    If you like what I suggest pls post back for a team up for that basic colony of 50, I can afford my own series of pontoons at least (hope those are made to last 100 years at least), though not that super tanker (in 20 years maybe? (not 401K even but at least adds 1 colonist or another series of pontoons?). Am retiring early as the pace of change in society makes me sick enough to look at Seasteading. Just can’t breathe with all the laws and prohibitions and TSA type behaviour.

    Meanwhile I’ll still try to remind the ‘Landsteaders’ whats’s wrong with them (a thankless task though who knows they might come around, in which case, count me in for a minor cash contribution to reserve a living space on the Seastead that I will rent out to anyone willing to use)

    Seasteading Institute Alternative?

    I hope Peter or Patri are not going to be another Jacque Fresco (PLEASE consider my suggestions you Pete and Patri and put up a minimal colony by the end of this year, TOO SLOW guys), Jacque’s Venus Project setup is far worse than the Seastead concept, being on existing claimed territory with even less concrete autonomy. It’s sad that governments have made it impossible to0 live or to require us to revolt or boycott or risk wasting cash in running for candidacy, (they should lower election deposits).

    Look forward to those ready to set up and am ready to commit cash! Hear soon on the forum!

    #13359
    Avatar of shredder7753
    shredder7753
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    question: would this be better suited for the seasteading wiki?

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    #13360

    Seasteader- wrote:
    ….Look forward to those ready to set up and am ready to commit cash! Hear soon on the forum!

    How much “cash” are you ready to commit ?

    I get you a seastead people will talk about in a minimum package of 60K. – lets’s start this week.

    Building cost 331 Euro/ton – options are surface barge solution or submerged bubble living space solutions – mantenance free service life of the structure is 200 years. (compared to 1 year for a old steel ship – this is why seasteading on old ships is not feasible and not happening in first place) – have been there, have done it, have tested it out…ready to go looking for commitment.

    Wil

    concretesubmarine.com

    #13362
    Avatar of Seasteader-
    Seasteader-
    Participant

    hi @ellmer,

    As always just throwing out some ideas. I got your ingfo ion the steel ship lasting 1 year stuff. Perha[s that will still probvide material for that seeding of a coral reef and eventually land? If those pontoons last 200 years then the coral seeding uidea is viable. Maybe order fillers like cheap and low density rocks if not junked ships to ‘raise’ land.

    Due to the unhappy situation of a lower currency exchange rate, I only have abt 5K offhand (it’s 15K here!!! but maybe the USD$ could drop or the supplies and equipment could be bought in a ‘cheaper’ place and sent there?), and another bloc of 60-100 tied up in a few acres of property I am selling before I commit to a Seastead of my choice. I’d still be able to buy some stuff here, so tell me what that 60K breaks down into.

    Have you identified a location btw? Better put down those anchors, I don’t think there are alot of ‘perfect’ spots for SSing, the earlier we put down the better. If you can seed the colony, please do, I can contribute 5K worth perhaps as a dp placement holder, committing to the area. Studies of weather etc? Pollution? Better be in a blue water area that has a shallow spot?

    I’d say that 60k could get 3 times as much stuff in a 3rd world start off supply point than in USA or a developed nation itself (could youv do a breakdown of that expendicture of 60k?), we could also offer some of those ‘boat people’ without papers work and lodging and citizenship if you don’t find the idea too distasteful or are too snobby for a ‘rough’ community within a ‘fresh new seastead’. There will be menial work that stability would be happily compensated for in the cases of ‘boat people’. Precious lives and viable citizens being throw away simply because Landtseaders are nazi minded. Typical. Well hence the SSing movement.

    Look forward to confirmation on anything fellow SSer.

    #13364
    Avatar of Seasteader-
    Seasteader-
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    hi @shredder7753

    Your facebook link is not working.

    Just saw your space hab designs also. I had looked at blimps (aerodynamic semirigid helium types) and considered if they could leave the atmosphere (gravity will be an issue though).

    But for the ‘stead’s’ purposes, as a fueling and supply craft to and from the proposed seastead and mainland at a later stage (can’t abide the heavy metal craft using fuel).

    http://www.ahausa.com/index.html

    Any ideas? Outside of the design ideas Your post leaves little to work on. Are you interested in committing to setting up a SS?

    #13366
    Avatar of shredder7753
    shredder7753
    Participant

    Seasteader- wrote:
    hi @shredder7753 Your facebook link is not working. Just saw your space hab designs also. I had looked at blimps (aerodynamic semirigid helium types) and considered if they could leave the atmosphere (gravity will be an issue though). But for the ‘stead’s’ purposes, as a fueling and supply craft to and from the proposed seastead and mainland at a later stage (can’t abide the heavy metal craft using fuel). http://www.ahausa.com/index.html Any ideas? Outside of the design ideas Your post leaves little to work on. Are you interested in committing to setting up a SS?

    Uh yea I’m def interested in setting up a commercial venture with a sea stead…

    Also, I don’t care about lighter than air vessels such as hydrogen, hot air, helium blimps. FYI they cant reach space for any useful purpose. No orbit equals no usefulness.for habitation.

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    #13367
    Avatar of shredder7753
    shredder7753
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    shredder7753 wrote:

    Seasteader- wrote:

    hi @shredder7753 Your facebook link is not working. Just saw your space hab designs also. I had looked at blimps (aerodynamic semirigid helium types) and considered if they could leave the atmosphere (gravity will be an issue though). But for the ‘stead’s’ purposes, as a fueling and supply craft to and from the proposed seastead and mainland at a later stage (can’t abide the heavy metal craft using fuel). http://www.ahausa.com/index.html Any ideas? Outside of the design ideas Your post leaves little to work on. Are you interested in committing to setting up a SS?

    Uh yea I’m def interested in setting up a commercial venture with a sea stead… Also, I don’t care about lighter than air vessels such as hydrogen, hot air, helium blimps. FYI they cant reach space for any useful purpose. No orbit equals no usefulness.for me. But wait u want to use them for sea stead resupply? That’s gay. Theres a long established existing industry for offshore resupply. I don’t think reinventing the wheel is leadership, progress, or useful at all. Sorry.

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    #13368
    Avatar of Seasteader-
    Seasteader-
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    Gay? Well delicately put enough, lol. I can see the UK home office serving you a subpoena and a fine or labeling you a terrorist for being PC incorrect. Hence SSing and even space steading as well. These people in Big Govt. Big Bro are insane. Though would you prefer to run for candidacy in your constituency to give outdated and abusive (nepotistic oligarchic extreme wealth through GLC etc.) landstead civilisation a chance before heading to SeaSteading or SpaceSteading?

    I’m not wealthy but might give it one shot before I depart for the floating city of the ‘briny deep’, where thought is free and where we can consider the ideas on Space Steading below.

    It’s the fuel price I was worried about than the ‘gayness’ of the concept, though airships do seem rather effette do they not? Try this link for the fun of it.

    shemale ZERO – Deliverance from Hypocrisy (low quality)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrlH876Uk90

    Travel would be far slower by AS but MUCH cleaner and perhaps more relaxing being less hectic (and TSA free? We all currently stuck in Landstead nations need private airports that cost a fraction – i.e. no bells and whistles to enrich contracters no end or be on contract on end – an empty space with a massive tarpulin setup, on about 20 acres would do fine JUST TO AVOID T.S.A., and with helium balloons, NO FUEL costs at all, no air conditioners (so sweat abit, it’s good for you) and use a mirror, lens, candle based system at par with those used in illusionists shows, IT IS POSSIBLE to amplify light from a single source rather than have liots of lights so that the contracter can make more sales and more people wuill have to be hired to screw in those lightbulbs? Sick system, thats why SSing or even SpaceSteading and now people do have a choice to depart from the idiot system which treats people like criminals, preventing migration of good citizedns or requiring premiums to relocate. We could all throw that passpotr and citizenship away and never pay taxes again, thats why SSing or even SpaceSteading.

    Use the nightsoil solution as well instead of building toilets? Try the below :

    *Bio-Terrarium Waste Processing/Fertilizer Producing Module*
    http://www.greenglobeideas.com/idea/coprovore-terrarium-sewage-unit-replace-sepic-tanks-or-entire-sewage-system#comment-549

    How come not reach orbit? Did you see the student’s who released a weather balloon with a camera attached until it reached space? With some limited propulsion and after floating as high as one can get, wouldn’t one reach space?

    The main issue I think we both did not mention was the vacuum (feels very costly though I might be wrong) and air issue, though a system of oxygen-producing/nitrogen-fixing-greenery, are critical as ‘Air Modules for each ‘space colonist’ to maintain, perhaps with a collective number of spare modules to make sure there is surplus air.

    So with a minimum colony of about 20 (to prevent inbreeding which must be maintained at 20, Humanity could (tell me where I may not be accurate here) with :

    (1) Air Producing Module
    (2) A Vacuum capable helium balloon
    (3) Waste Processing Module
    (4) Food Producing Module
    (5) Gravitic Propulsion Engine
    (6) Living-Entertainment Area

    ;could do Space steading – INDEPENDENT OF GOVERNMENTS / INDEPENDENT OF TAXES (especially more so for the lower and middle income earners while the riches get all possible tax breaks with collusive tax havens like Singapore or any microstates) already.

    Alternatively we could try to change government by removing the Oligarchs, Nepotists and MURDEROUS creeps posing as enforcers, in fact they are just citizens like you and I. Thats why SSing or even SpaceSteading. Sorry I had to rant, but what better way to convey the root of the problem? OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT.

    Capitalism with Socialist Caps on Personal Wealth – US$20 Million
    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=36665503866
    (no offense to the self made, but people are suffering, so please don’t allow this misery to continue by SHARING and prioritising beyond the trinkets and trappings that do not make you better, while people die around you, efficiently use those resources which do go a very long way)

    #13371
    Avatar of shredder7753
    shredder7753
    Participant

    dude – keep the spirit alive, but try not to act too technical. you have a lot of reading to do. balloons go up and take pictures and eventually fall back down. everything in orbit travels about 17,000 mph to balance the gravitational pull and keep itself at a constant distance from the Earth. if u traveled out past the Earths gravity without achieving orbit and without sufficient propulsion you would drift off into the vacuum. not to mention that no lighter than air balloon could ever drift off into space because they cannot displace enough atmosphere to break away from the pull of gravity.

    heres the best thing i think u could possibly read right now:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_High_Frontier:_Human_Colonies_in_Space

    that book lays the ground work for all technical knowledge needed to understand space colonization. i think u can find the whole thing online if u look.

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    #13372
    Avatar of Seasteader-
    Seasteader-
    Participant

    @hi again shredder7753,

    Spirit’s all a man’s got, cos with the b.s. bombarding on TV or with EMF/ELF/NLP, or just repressivce and backward laws and constitutions alone, we hardly can think for ourselves anymore can’t we?

    Can u imagine, we law abiding citizens are prohibited from travelling one country to another unhindered by cash demands, or paper checks? In the 1800s it was OPEN TRAVEL all the way and private charter mostly. Who needs all those port authorities and TSAs or what not?

    These travel prohibitions should be removed for law abiding people (not Madoff or tax haven or Alberto Fujimori types of course though.)

    All of us should sure as hell try to thrash ALL those who think they deserve to sequester land and wealth and poison everyone psychologically, psychically, emotionally and mentally as well as via GMOs or chemicals and preservatives and bs in food. Saw what happend with the Food Act in USA? All they do is confiscate or jail or punish.

    Ok you said,

    1) if u traveled out past the Earths gravity without achieving orbit and without sufficient propulsion you would drift off into the vacuum. (Thats what I wanted? though a heat/light source issue will be not impossible to deal with bio-heat/light from bacteria maybe?)

    2) not to mention that no lighter than air balloon could ever drift off into space because they cannot displace enough atmosphere to break away from the pull of gravity. (prolly shows more of my ignorance, but just without any reading let me try – maybe aerodynamic design could ‘pierce’ atmosphere instead of displace???)

    Guilty as charged on the sounding technical? Ah, just trying to sound coherent, not trying to fake it, people pay attention to the way you speak rather than the content you offer. Guess I don’t speak ‘technicalese’ very well but thats how politicians (who should not even exist as a toll keeper parasite between bureaucracy – pay politicians nothing, call them Ombudsmen and give no entitlements then maybe politicians should exist) fit in with the intent to manage to take a sh*t on everyone via horrible and abusive laws and constituencies since the French Revolution and American Revolutions.

    I don’t think I want to pay another cent to drive on a highway, pay for a passport, be numbered with an ID card, pay property assessment but be disallowed ALLOODIAL option while having Eminent Domain imposed (which shuld be removed, this is the year 2011 not 1102), renew my ‘license’ to have a right to drive, or pay a ‘road tax’ or ‘income tax’ anymore, especially more so for those living under conditions of apartheid.

    Lower and Middle income people should be exempt from ALL taxes. The corporate or wealthy should distribute their wealth by be the only ones paying.

    How much are you into the 2nd Amendment btw? It seems people can’t even carry guns like they did anymore during frontier times. Thats why Seasteading and Space steading came about.

    I might try to change parts of the system but you would never believe what happend to me while i tried. Will tell you about it if you don’t already know lol.

    I’ll look for the book anyway. Thx for the link. Keep me informed on the seastead thing, I really want to get away from all teh rubbish above, and worse which I believe is being imposed on people without their awareness.

    Leadership we don’t need (everyone can lead themselves, we only need REPRESENTATIVES in parliament because we can’t all squeeze into parliament to write laws, no citizen is entitled to anything more than the other and the post of president or any bureaucratic post (much less political) should NOT entitle to any salary more than 2 times the GDP, just look at Singapore compared to the very modest India and China, DISGRACEFUL and Greedy what more with the creation of Senior Minister and minister mentor’s posts at 30 times Barak Obama’s salary, USA being 100s of times larger in GDP . . . ) . . .

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1581439054619&set=o.36665503866&type=1

    I won’t even discuss theocratic influences, juntas, 3rd world nepotists, or wastage in monarchy led failing economies elsewhere with latent police states like USA b*tching away and setting bad examples to 3rd world contries with US propped ‘Benevolent Dictators’.

    Leadership we **don’t** need. DO-ership is everything. Sequestership is just a tinderbox and prelude to breakdown of the system – French Revolution or Egypt and Tunisia style. Yup Seasteading or even space steading looks like paradise indeed.

    #13378
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    elspru
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    Seasteader- wrote:

    Thats about it. Each person contributes what cash or vessel they can. General citizenship agreement.

    Potential Problems

    Autonomous areas for ‘offensive’ r incompatable colony areas (such as :

    a) loudspeaker praying types vs quiet ALL THE TIME types

    I’m loudspeaker praying type, and my partner is quiet “all the time” type.

    we get along great, helps to balance each other.

    b) incense/offering / cow dung burning types

    hindu siddhu’s simply trying to achieve nothing, I think that’s fairly safe lol.

    c) RLDs / Organics growers for personal consumption vs Moralists – (look up on growing Hash, Coca or Khat too! Poppy and Shrooms too but these would be sale prohibited items internally for citizens and sold at canned drink prices to outsiders (will certainly be a draw)! LEGALLY on legal artificial land masses.

    lets us use the freedom version lawfully,

    wrote:

    Freedom to Homestead ICCPR quote Part I Article 1 1. All peoples have the right of self-determination.

    By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social

    and cultural development. 2. All peoples may, for their own ends, freely dispose of their natural wealth

    and resources without prejudice to any obligations arising out of international economic co-operation, based

    upon the principle of mutual benefit, and international law. In no case may a people be deprived of its own

    means of subsistence.

    from Happy Internationally Recognized Laws http://www.scribd.com/doc/42058591/Happy-Internationally-Recognized-Laws

    d) 2nd Amendment types vs No Guns types.

    HIRL wrote:

    ICCPR quote Part III Article 9 1. Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/42058591/Happy-Internationally-Recognized-Laws

    calm aware desire choice love express intuit move

    #13379
    Avatar of Seasteader-
    Seasteader-
    Participant

    Quote :
    I’m loudspeaker praying type, and my partner is quiet “all the time” type. we get along great, helps to balance each other.

    I’ll be at the section of the colony (about 2-5kms out from your stead? how loud is your speaker anyway) with the quiet all the time types, but see you at the central ‘Island’ off and on then? Enjoy your prayers, we however will enjoy the quiet.

    Quote :
    hindu siddhu’s simply trying to achieve nothing, I think that’s fairly safe lol.

    You’d be surprised, but I’d reserve my judgment if I were you ;)

    Quote :
    lets us use the freedom version lawfully,

    Tacit agreement on at least this point? See you at the central ‘island’ for smokes or stuff then.

    Quote :
    From Happy Internationally Recognized Laws http://www.scribd.com/doc/42058591/Happy-Internationally-Recognized-Laws

    Laws not working or written correctly in most landsteads. Would you try to give candidacy a shot to attempt a change?

    Quite :
    calm aware desire choice love express intuit move

    Nice set of NLPs at the end if not intended in reverse.

    Your avatar is so illuminati. Have you decided on a location for SSing yet?

    Total Physical Freedom and Total Mental Autonomy, Tempered with Common Sense.

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    #13384
    Avatar of Seasteader-
    Seasteader-
    Participant

    thinking of having underwater speakers for communication with marine animals and divers. (don’t pray to them)

    in terms of external air speakers, was thinking of using them as a potential defensive weapon via mind-control (binaural beats), communication etc. (you sound freakishly familiar, but it seems there is no more privacy for me at least . . . any advice on how to regain what was lost???)

    with the quiet all the time types, but see you at the central ‘Island’ off and on then?

    as long as it’s a place of freedom I can at least visit, (well blare not then!)

    though yes we are planning on having a floating island seastead, using hydrofoils and hydrokites, for moving along the current. (keep me informed)

    Enjoy your prayers,

    magic spells :-) (Aight that too)

    Quote : From Happy Internationally Recognized Laws http://www.scribd.com/doc/42058591/Happy-Internationally-Recognized-Laws Laws not working or written correctly in most landsteads.

    actually they are signed and ratified by the vast majority of nations.
    (then why does apartheid, nepotism, oligarchy and plutocracy exist?)

    Would you try to give candidacy a shot to attempt a change?

    no. I’m disgusted by gambling. (Nice point but that means you have given up on landsteads.)

    I prefer to have concrete accomplishments through manual creation i.e. Seasteads. (keep me informed, I have not found a real colony yet)

    1) it’s based on chakra’s and we you net constitution..
    yarr Illuminated Illuminator me be. codal mauruder mage.

    Not net. Not hurt.

    2) I love many of the countries along the migration route. Peru, Chile, Columbia, Canada, New Zealand, Borneo, Bougainville, Japan, Russia, and maybe even China. also having an Antarctic base could be quite exciting in that it’s quite close to outer-space environment. tthough now that I think about it, it’s not really the “country” per sei, but the eco-region and forests that I’m refering to.

    omadic Pelagic civilisation is mankind’s future? Very nice. Think Tuareg as well.

    3) I prefer natural law. Predators are part of nature. People or organizations that amass too much wealth or get too “fat” could be preyed upon by anyone.

    Once sank teeth into such fat ones. Still being retaliated against. Anything you think you can glean from this? Any help offered welcome.

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    #13388
    Avatar of TheTimPotter
    TheTimPotter
    Participant

    Now is a good a time as any to bring this up.

    I am back from Tennessee and now I can build a 60 foot diameter platform in less than two months for 10k USD that is sea-worthy in the carribbean, expandable to be safe in the doldrums, and will support a reef ecosystem in a couple years.

    I can relocate anywhere there is a serious group of people.

    I might build one for Ephemerisle and leave it in the bay. If anyone wants solid Ephemerisle buoyancy, contact me.

    #13389
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    Prove it.

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