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  • #1368
    Avatar of RCC
    RCC
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    For islands/structures/seasteads on the larger scale, transportation, more specifically public transportation, would

    most likely become an issue. For this purpose, I would like to introduce you to the Shweeb:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhxVtUFZVzk&feature=related

    PROS:

    -human powered, no external energy required

    -relatively simple and cheap

    -full-fledged transit system (see link below)

    -sustainability

    -promote fitness/health

    CONS:

    -seaworthy?

    -requires a good

    -sized seastead to be cost-effective

    -extraneous costs

    -specific limits on type of seastead



    So, what do all of you think? For very in-depth technical information, please read the following link. Pretty amazing stuff :)



    http://shweeb.com/index.php?m=transport

    Cheers!

    #11643
    Avatar of Eric-Jacobus
    Eric-Jacobus
    Participant

    Hi RCC,

    Interesting concept, though I imagine implementing it for inter-island transport would pose some challenges. Drifting of seasteads sounds like a oceanic disaster to me, though I know nothing about the materials that are available that would address this problem. I’m also not convinced that “human effort” is the way of the future. Looks fun, though! I’d do it. Can’t speak for an exec who’d rather rest on his way home rather than do more work.

    Eric Jacobus
    Office Manager / Communications Coordinator
    The Seasteading Institute

    #11653
    Avatar of RCC
    RCC
    Participant

    Eric wrote:
    Hi RCC, Interesting concept, though I imagine implementing it for inter-island transport would pose some challenges. Drifting of seasteads sounds like a oceanic disaster to me, though I know nothing about the materials that are available that would address this problem. I’m also not convinced that “human effort” is the way of the future. Looks fun, though! I’d do it. Can’t speak for an exec who’d rather rest on his way home rather than do more work. Eric Jacobus Office Manager / Communications Coordinator The Seasteading Institute

    Not sure if we’re on the same page, but I was referring to “inter” island transport as in within a single island, not “intra”, or between multiple islands. Not to sound like a jerk, just clarifying :)

    I would disagree with you and say that human effort is the way of the future, especially in this case. They have taken a normally physical, strenuous activity, and made it even more effortless than walking!
    (Reference from FAQ section on the website: On firm, flat ground, a 70kg man requires about 100 watts to walk at 5km/h. The power required to move a Shweeb along a rail at 20km/h is only 33 watts. )

    Part of advancement, in my view, is simplifying tasks for people, and the Shweeb system seems to do so very well in the case of transport.

    -El Capitan

    #11654
    Avatar of J.L.-Frusha
    J.L.-Frusha
    Participant

    For Seasteading, adapt the concept… An enclosed, pedal-powered hydroplane out to work for short trips…

    Later,

    J.L.F.

    Never be afraid to try something new…

    Remember, amateurs built the ark, professionals built the Titanic.

    #11656
    Avatar of Ken Sims
    Ken Sims
    Keymaster
    RCC wrote:

    Not sure if we’re on the same page, but I was referring to “inter” island transport as in within a single island, not “intra”, or between multiple islands. Not to sound like a jerk, just clarifying :)

    Sorry, but you’ve got it backwards (at least according to my Webster’s New World Dictionary):

    intra- = prefix within, inside (intramural, intravenous)

    inter- = prefix between or among (interstate, international)

    #11657
    Avatar of Eric-Jacobus
    Eric-Jacobus
    Participant

    Semantics :D

    On a single seastead it could be a cool attraction, though I wonder how much effort is required as the angle of incline increases. This seems far better for wider spaces, versus places where square footage comes at a premium. Are there places that use these for mass transit to elevated spots?

    Eric Jacobus
    Office Manager / Communications Coordinator
    The Seasteading Institute

    #11658
    Avatar of RCC
    RCC
    Participant

    @Ken Sims hahaha that’s all my fault…. I misread the dictionary entry

    @Eric Jacobus My idea is for more entertainment, but as speedy and simple transportation around the seastead. Yes, I agree

    about the size, I was only proposing it for large areas because it would not really be needed or cost-effective on a small Stead.

    In terms of inclines, there is a proposed system of a conveyor chain to assist any pods without sufficient momentum to make

    it up the incline themselves. It would only be activated for those slower pods and would most likely use solar panels for power.

    (At the website, see “Elevation” in the Technology section)

    -El Capitan

    #11660
    Avatar of Pastor_Jason
    Pastor_Jason
    Participant

    This tech is one of the winners of a contest Google ran, they were mentioned in a few news-articles I came across. Interesting premise. It’s even featured in a green amusement park in Australia.

    That said, it is completely unrelated to seasteading. The concept doesn’t mesh at all with any of the proposed plans on this site. Nor did the suggestion come with a seasteading specific thought. Which makes me think this is another attempt to garner PR and attention from the company than an actual suggestion.

    I could be wrong though. RCC, are you connected in any way with the Shweeb?

    Anywho… I still think the technology has merit on land based systems. It’s definitely better than the idea China is attempting with the bus that rides over cars on the highway… what a farse that is. I can’t wait to hear about the death toll once it’s implimented.

    Live Well!

    -Jason

    #11680
    Avatar of Eric-Jacobus
    Eric-Jacobus
    Participant

    I agree with Jason. For infrastructure it seems like a very inefficient use of dock space. Perhaps when dock space is cheaper some time in the future, the shweeb could be a profitable venture.

    Eric Jacobus
    Office Manager / Communications Coordinator
    The Seasteading Institute

    #11683
    Avatar of RCC
    RCC
    Participant

    I also found out about Shweeb from the article on Google’s award of 1 million USD to

    them, but no, I do not work for or am in any way affiliated with them. This idea was mainly

    one for a city’s infrastructure, not just specifically a seastead’s. I do still believe that it is a

    concept that could work well for seasteading though. I see no major difference if it was to

    be implemented in a land-based city or one out at sea.

    Maybe I’m just thinking to large though.

    -El Capitan

    #11685

    when we imagine a seastead as a chambered floating structure very similar to the Nkossa Barge (picture) it would be worth investigating if we could not use schweeb inside a tunnel system that connects the chambers – it would fulfill the same task as the elevator system in a highrise building. (moving people efficiently trough “relative small tunnels” so that the “real estate relevant living space” of the building is not eaten up by dozends of stairways). Moving inside a tunnel sistem like a hamster may be a weird concept for people but we could imagine seasteaders as open minded people who could find it viable and fun.

    I can also imagine shweeb going trugh submerged tunnels that are little more than big sized plastic pipes to connect seasteads with each other – those pipes would be flexible to take movements between seasteads and help to anchor the seastead in the sense of the earlier discussed seastar concept and grid seasteading concept.

    Wil

    concretesubmarine.com

    European Submarine Structures AB

    #11697
    Avatar of Pastor_Jason
    Pastor_Jason
    Participant

    Wil,

    Always love the visuals in your posts. I think walking would get us around the Nkossa barge just fine. If we did connect the seasteads up with flexible tunnels, then I could see the Shweeb as one option of many for transportation.

    Until we see seastead cities the size of Tokyo I don’t think the Shweeb will fit. It is a curious bit of technology though, something to keep on the backburner until an efficient use could be found.

    Live Well!

    -Jason

    #11717
    Avatar of admiral-doty
    admiral-doty
    Participant

    The idea of using light vehicles to reduce weight and cost of the guideway has been proposed by Skytran, http://www.skytran.net/phpsite/home/Home%20Intro.php and Skyweb Express, http://www.taxi2000.com/ . Schweeb is a combination of the two, using the suspended rail system of Skytran with the wheels from Skyweb Express instead of magnetic levitation like Skytran. Relying on human powered propulsion on a transit system requiring this scale of infrastructure investment is just plain silly, to put it mildly. It would be a good system, though, by motorizing it and using automated control so riding it is like taking a horizontal elevator from point to point as envisioned by Skytran and Skyweb.

    #11726
    Avatar of Shouri
    Shouri
    Participant

    Keep in mind that you need a way to transport goods within the seastead too, i don’t see an efficient way to make it work with shweeb i wouldn’t want to carry a wardrobe on a hi-tech bike. Even if its a huge seastead, walking will do just fine as jason said. If you are going for a giant buoy thingie you’ll probably need an elevator though since spiral stairs will make the daily life a little painful in that case. Whole thing you are stepping on is artifical in a seastead, so every extra maens an extra cost, there is no need to incraese the cost (even if it is little) of transportation, since we have legs. And comparing energy efficiency isn’t wise at all, in an isolated enviroment like a seastead permanent passengers will lack exercise so i think not investing on intra-seastead transportation is the best investment.

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