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  • #1333
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    elspru
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    Indonesia has over 10,000 vacant islands.

    Indonesia consists of 17,508 islands, about 6,000 of which are inhabited.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia

    Politically Indonesia is moderately peaceful (67th most peaceful nation of 149), it’s more peaceful than USA (85th).

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/GPI-world-map-2008.png/800px-GPI-world-map-2008.png

    Indonesia is also free of tropical-cyclones so has very stable waters

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    The main issue as I see it with Indonesia is a high Muslim population,

    but there is freedom of religion, with christian and buddhist areas:

    Indonesia is also home to the Water Cat (Fishing Cat), and Water Monkey(Crab-eating Macaque),

    which might contribute to making great seasteading pets on floating islands.

    Economically Indonesia is in Asia,

    so is close to cheap products from China and other developing nations.

    It is the largest economy in Southeast Asia and a member of the major economies" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-20_major_economies">G-20 major economies.

    Also with the high population level, (230 million),

    there are plenty of market opportunities,

    potentially also for floating homes.

    #11190
    Avatar of elspru
    elspru
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    Wow!

    There is even an economic freezone

    called the Sijori growth triangle

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sijori_Growth_Triangle

    The Island of Batam seems to be the best for seasteadng

    Ship building and electronics manufacturing are major industries on the island; there are also several resorts and tourist destinations on the island.

    It is also mostly buddhist, which is probably the worlds most peaceful religion (next to Jainism).

    It’s also only 40 km from singapore.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batam

    #11192
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    I just spent over a month travelling Indonesia this summer. Moving through Lombok all the way through Java.

    It’s a great country, but I didn’t really see anything about it that would make it suitable for Seasteading.

    #11195
    Avatar of OCEANOPOLIS
    OCEANOPOLIS
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    by “suitable” for seasteading?

    #11196
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    Gentry wrote:

    I just spent over a month travelling Indonesia this summer. Moving through Lombok all the way through Java.

    It’s a great country, but I didn’t really see anything about it that would make it suitable for Seasteading.

    well it has great climate(safe), geography(islands) and economy(G20) for seasteading.

    so what makes you think it’s unsuitable?

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    #11201
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    Gentry
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    Indonesia has very strict and complicated immigration/ visa requirements and regulations, and the process can be very long.

    #11217
    Avatar of elspru
    elspru
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    Gentry wrote:

    Indonesia has very strict and complicated immigration/ visa requirements and regulations, and the process can be very long.

    Well there is the free trade zone,

    that’s technically not Indonesia, not Malaysia and not Singapore.

    So we could probably float around there and “visit” the indonesian islands.

    Remember we have international rights (abilities) and freedoms

    Freedom to Work.

    UDHR

    Quote:
    Article 23
    1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
    2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
    3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
    4. Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

    Freedom of Movement
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement

    UDHR

    Quote:
    Article 13
    1. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
    2. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including their own, and to return to their country.
    Freedom of Shelter

    Quote:
    Article 25
    1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

    Freedom of Security

    Quote:
    Article 3
    Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

    Freedom of Privacy

    Quote:
    Article 12
    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

    From http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=6682

    Since we’ll be living on our boats,

    and only accepting barter and promissory notes as payments,

    we’ll be free to do whatever we so choose.

    I’m thinking Indonesia as part of the Seasteading Triangle,

    Of areas that have safe spots for seasteading

    North-West-Coast-of-North-America, Indonesia, and South-America.

    Once we’ve got a replicating tribe here in toronto,

    we could move to the North-West-Coast,

    then we could go to Indonesia,

    and then to South America,

    then to Antarctica 0o0ooo0.

    This way we could have seasteading tribes started all around the pacific,

    Pacific being the largest ocean, it is the highest priority.

    Also pacific Antarctica is unclaimed land (Marie Byrd Land).

    Indicating the proximity vacant for use.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Byrd_Land

    The point is having self-sustaining replicating tribes,

    so as soon such a lifestyle on antarctica can be developed,

    we’ll be ready for the next ice age.

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    #11328
    Avatar of Alan
    Alan
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    I agree with Gentry about Indonesia being unsuitable – primarily due to Indonesians. I visited Bali last November.

    I like the Antarctica angle (the photo I’m using here was taken about 400m from the South Pole).

    I also visited parts of South America, and very much liked the people there. Ellmer has the right idea on that score. I didn’t make it to Chile, but considering the Chileans I met in Peru and the information I have gleaned about Chile elsewhere, I think we might do well to foster some contacts there; and the fact that New Zealand and Chile both have Antarctic claims, and both have pretty neat people, might work to our advantage at some time in the future.

    As a curious fact, thanks to some major rivers we could even establish operations as far inland as Paraguay, which is a country I like for other reasons.

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