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  • #12832
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    TheTimPotter
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    Selling drinking water, splitting hydrogen, and mining the seafloor are all daydreaming at this point.

    #12833
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    opening a pain clinic on an imaginary seastead, so far. And so is seasteading is general, so far.

    Producing hydrogen from seawater it’s a proven scientific fact, not daydreaming at all.

    http://www.impactlab.net/2007/03/21/scientists-use-sunlight-to-extract-hydrogen-from-seawater/

    http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2010/April/28041002.asp

    http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2008/02/06/windhunter-gets-hydrogen-from-sea-water/

    #12835
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    wohl1917
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    producing drinking water or sea floor mining! Distilling seawater is easy enough and The Glomar Explorer (CIA project to recover a Soviet sub) could’ve been used to mine the seafloor which was it’s cover story. Both are very do-able!

    < http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>

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    R-B-Wood
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    That’s pretty much what my idea is here http://www.seasteading.org/interact/forums/community/dreaming-/-crazy-ideas-/-speculation/a-modular-giant-floating-concrete-isl#comment-15046

    Just a floating raft somewhere closer to shore with joint ownership that people could afford now and use for _____. Whethr it be ahang out spot, a base of operations, the start of a future city size seastead. For something like that there’s no requirement to be 200nm off coast, or even 12nm. Just keep it out of shipping lanes, and work with the nearest government so they don’t come and try and sink it or tow it away.

    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    by “….unlimited food” was that by being able to store and then sell a “byproduct” of an unlimited energy production, a seastead can generate plenty of cash to buy enough food for daily consumtion, somehow indefinitely. And the “byproduct” can be a lot of things, from hydrogen, to drinking water, to extracting uranium from the seawater, to the ability to mine the seabed, etc. The whole comment was geared toward the economic self sustainability of future seasteads. It didn’t neccesarely implied building the whole seastead as a giant greenhouse. I don’t think that it will make any business sense spending $ millions on a seastead and then turning it into a tomato farm :) But I can envision small hydroponic greenhouses able to produce plenty of fresh vegetable that will cover a certain percentage of the local consumption. The rest of the food, will have to be imported. Therefore, seasteads will have to be profitable. In order to do that, seasteads will have to have something to sell, a product or a service, or (better off) both. I don’t see any other way around it.

    Sry to have somewhow hijacked this thread,…but it’s a bit related since a pain clinic can be a service that a seastead can sell. Still, to me, it seems a bit too complicated in terms of the logistics and the high capital involved to make it profitable.

    How about a simple, old fashion fishing business located on a platform offshore, to start with? If you are located 30 nm offshore and 10 guys are fishing dawn to dusk, they got to be catching @ least 300-400 lb. of fish/ day if not much more. @ $3/ lb for a fast sell, it’s around $ 1000 /day. And grow from there, if going offshore is the goal to start with,…

    On a personal not, I have noticed that in the past 2 years since I’ve been around, everybody seems to be so eager to go straight offshore, totally bypassing baysteading or coastalsteading. I am not sure how wise that is. What would be wrong with a 80′ platform, lets say barge like, anchored in sheltered waters close to shore to start with? Or a 80′ used houseboat with rafted up floats around it in the same manner? Not even neccesarely as a business in the beginning. But a place where a group of like minded individuals who share ownership can congregate to plan ahead and exchange ideas on the subject while relaxing and enjoying the sun and the warm water? How hard would that be, to really start with? And wouldn’t that be a small step forward, a presence on the water, instead of just talking about it?

    #12837
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    Alan
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    I know that many doctors establish their own clinics, either individually or as part of a small consortium. After a few years in practice, they often have more access to capital than the average person.

    Perhaps we should concentrate on finding doctors – or other medical professionals such as nurses – who are interested in providing services that are not allowed in the over-regulated medical field in the U.S.A. For that matter, if such an operation is to be self-regulated, or regulated by the laws of the nation under whose flag the seastead will operate, we do not need to restrict ourselves to doctors recognized by any particular state. There are many American nurses who could provide services just as well, or various other categories of medical professionals recognized by various organizations. However, it would be crucial to make sure that any medical providers are well-qualified and competent in their field, regardless of where they obtained their certification.

    If we can find such professionals who are already interested in providing medical care, but are stymied by ignorant, incompetent, and interfering regulatory bodies; professionals who are, in short, already looking for a solution to this problem, then they may be willing to provide at least some of the funding that we lack. While a small clinic might be a start, a larger clinic would be even better and would allow room for ancillary services that we could provide.

    I might start asking around soon, but does anyone have any ideas on where to start?

    #12838
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    here in Florida, OSDI (Oceanstead International LLC) is planning to build a small foating island. http://www.oceanstead.com/The_Man_Made_Key_Project.html

    The twist is that we want to set it up as a business in order to test the viability of generating profit as a start up seasteading oriented business. Our research also pointed out the fact that while doing that, there will be a “slow time” in our business activity, due to the seasonal aspect of the Florida tourist industry. From July to December, every year, is “low” season. It will only make sense that during those month to just operate as a private, non-profit floating island and open it up to a group of like minded individuals who are willing to participate financialy and hands on into a “limited ownership” program during the “low” season. Such program, will be a real “simulation” of every day life afloat in such environment, with sailing trips deep into the Gulf of Mexico, extended stays on the reef and beyond the 12nm mark, and testing the boundries of various social-political forms of interaction aboard, while out @ sea. Since this idea is new to us, we are still trying to figure out it’s “format”. A weekly “time share” rental situation or a flat rate “membership” fee ?! If any of you guys have any ideas or want to participate, the door is open. E-mail us and we will answer.

    #12840
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    TheTimPotter
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    R-B-Wood
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    That looks like a great idea for a first step project. Hope you have some good ideas for places to stow it away when the hurricanes come through every year. How are you keeping the sand on the beach from just falling through the bottom with the waves?

    Do you have a rough estimate for how much the MMK will cost to build? At least with renting it out you wont really have to worry about a lot of operationa costs.

    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    here in Florida, OSDI (Oceanstead International LLC) is planning to build a small foating island. http://www.oceanstead.com/The_Man_Made_Key_Project.html

    The twist is that we want to set it up as a business in order to test the viability of generating profit as a start up seasteading oriented business. Our research also pointed out the fact that while doing that, there will be a “slow time” in our business activity, due to the seasonal aspect of the Florida tourist industry. From July to December, every year, is “low” season. It will only make sense that during those month to just operate as a private, non-profit floating island and open it up to a group of like minded individuals who are willing to participate financialy and hands on into a “limited ownership” program during the “low” season. Such program, will be a real “simulation” of every day life afloat in such environment, with sailing trips deep into the Gulf of Mexico, extended stays on the reef and beyond the 12nm mark, and testing the boundries of various social-political forms of interaction aboard, while out @ sea. Since this idea is new to us, we are still trying to figure out it’s “format”. A weekly “time share” rental situation or a flat rate “membership” fee ?! If any of you guys have any ideas or want to participate, the door is open. E-mail us and we will answer.

    #12845
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    Since this thread is not about this, I’ll be brief. A rough estimate will be $30K-40K. For more info we can be reached at osdi@oceanstead.com.

    #12848
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    TheTimPotter
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    The next step should be either to look for clinicians with their own ideas or to research possible treatments on our own.

    #12851
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    Matt
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    The idea of a floating clinic that doesn’t have to deal with national healthcare regulations has been there for a while. I’ve met people on and offline that “have always had that idea”.

    Right now we have a “white” market for opiates, pain killers in general, paliative medicine, and end of life care that is absolutly disastrous and cruel. Having experienced the situation of both addicts and cancer patients about to die (through family and firends, luckily not me) in both the States and Argentina, I can attest that there is probably no existing nation where these regulations are not cruel and inhumane.

    We also have a black market where almost everything can be purchased, but of course the price and risk involved makes the ordeal just as cruel. Also, the black market not always provides the same in every country.

    Institutionalized medicine has made it that once inside a clinic not even rather wealthy people can obtain the necessary care and medicine for the end of life.

    In addition to white and black markets in (medically) developed countries, we have another kind of market, the corrupt bordering countries (Ex for most of you guys, Mexico and Canada), for me it’d be Brazil.

    A seastead, or a Clinic Cruiseship that offers this kind of care would have to offer a different alternative to: bribing the doctors, buying in the streets, going to Mexico, or mailing Canada.

    This involves the legal side: Is it part of the black market? If so, is it better than the normal black market because its remoteness and technological challenge would make the operators more efficient, clean and contract-driven than street dealers?

    If it’s part of the wite market, then we already would need a legal institution to make it so. Imho a legal structure that can enforce contracts and where corporations and persons can be registered is already more valuable and difficult to create than the clinic itself. So then we’d have a more difficult challenge which once solved, would allow for clinics, theme parks and financial havens to come naturally.

    If it’s a creative grey area (like flying a flag of convenience) it could work like the Dutch Abortion ship maybe in the following way:

    A note on opiates and medicine dispensing implants:

    A patient in need (or want) of chronic pain relief would have to either live on the seastead or smuggle the medicine each time. With a dispenser that is surgically inserted into the body, loads of, for istance, fentanyl could be charged and re-charged every year(s) and it would not be illegal for the patient to go back home with it because the regulated chemicals don’t leave the body of the patient. There’s a limit to Leviathan’s intrusiveness: As long as the surgery is done onboard, the government can’t pretend to have jurisdiction over the insides of the body of the citizen once it comes back home. That is what the abortion debate is all about but in this case it’s easier because an implant is not alive in any sense.

    For a more in-depth discussion of Institutionalized Medicine and its objectors please pay Celia Green a visit:

    http://www.celiagreen.com/Letters/doctorrequest.htm

    #12916
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    Alan
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    Thanks for your comments.

    I would much prefer a white market.

    I had not considered implants. Quite interesting.

    #12917
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    Alan
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    Thanks for your comments.

    I would much prefer a white market.

    I had not considered implants. Quite interesting.

    #12969
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    Matt
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    Alan,

    Yes I too prefer a non black market, that is, as Popper said “an open society”. But just take the example of the implant potential loophole, if one is needed then the justice system is a scham so how would that speak of the whiteness of such market (not know if potential or actua as I understand those implants do exist but for other, stronger extreme painkiller, fruit of the seas)

    I insist people interested in the interaction of chemical compounds, law and free will take a look at Celia Green’s courageus intellectual rejection of institutionalized medicine.

    Live well!

    #12978
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    elspru
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    Alan wrote:

    Thanks for your comments.

    I would much prefer a white market.

    The only way to do that, is to make everything legal :-).

    I had not considered implants. Quite interesting.

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