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  • #1461
    Avatar of Alan
    Alan
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    There has been discussion of hospital ships and the like – going offshore to offer medical technologies not available in the US – but thanks to hurting my back today and knowing I can’t just go down to the pharmacy to get something for the pain without paying off the medical cartel – or perhaps even if I *do* pay off the cartel:

    http://reason.com/archives/2011/02/28/chilling-her-softly

    it occurred to me that this could start out very small and relatively low tech, just by offering beds and pain relief to patients who have a lot of pain but few other medical problems. Thanks to our government overlords, there is doubtless a market for such.

    This could allow someone in the upper middle class to live near a place they want to be (New York, Los Angeles, etc.) while still getting the pain medication they need. If they were rich, of course, they could simply bribe a doctor to get them the prescription they need.

    Perhaps we could even reduce the rates to where middle class people could benefit. Or, depending on how often the treatment were needed, perhaps they could simply visit one day a week for their treatment.

    The advantage here is that it would be a fairly simple operation without huge startup costs, and is something that the public could understand.

    I’m in too much pain to go on much more at the moment, but perhaps that will spare you the pain of my wandering prose.

    #12764
    Avatar of TheTimPotter
    TheTimPotter
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    I could see that working. I think the biggest hurdle would be the commute to the ship.

    Maybe a hospice center would be the next level of complexity.

    #12769
    Avatar of Alan
    Alan
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    TheTimPotter wrote:

    I could see that working. I think the biggest hurdle would be the commute to the ship.

    Maybe a hospice center would be the next level of complexity.

    Good point. Do hospices get any better treatment when it comes to being allowed to dish out pain drugs? I imagine that quite a few families would be willing to pay the higher price of offshore facilities in order to reduce the pain for their loved ones, and as they would be paying for only a short time many could even afford it.

    The commute is not technically difficult: a small ferry that needs to travel a little over 12 miles from shore. However, passport controls would have to be accommodated, probably on their terms. A ferry could easily make a round trip every two hours, if there were enough passengers.

    #12774
    Avatar of OCEANOPOLIS
    OCEANOPOLIS
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    My 2 cents speculating on the subject. In states with a medical marijuana law and oceanfront like California it might be feasible to start a seastead business as a medical marijuana oceanbased clinic and wellbeing center, close to shore (so the cost and time of commuting by ship to and from it would be low), to start. It would be fair to speculate that such a place, which I would envision as a “retreat” for people with a varity of diseases that benefit from marijuana treatment, combined with alternative medicine treatments such as accupucture, chi kung, meditation, massage, yoga etc, will do very good financially. If done right, meaning designed with modular physical growth and financial growth in mind from the beginning, in a matter of years it can achive enough size and seaworthiness so it will be able to move and operate offshore.

    At that point, with the physical and financial “critical mass” achieved, it can evolve. While the “bread and butter” would still be the medical marijuana “retreat”, other parallel businesses should flourish, like comercial fishing offshore base, fish farming, marina and offshore supply base for transient pleasure yachting, offshore data storage center, etc. Now you have a Seastead.

    Whatever will be, seasteading is just a matter of time, money and determination now. Nothing else.

    #12775
    Avatar of TheTimPotter
    TheTimPotter
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    Ocean

    I think that offshore of medicinal marijuana states would be the worst place that you could locate. Why go out to a ship for what you can get down the street?

    Alan

    They might get to use the same drugs as hospitals. I’ll try to find out over the next couple weeks.

    I still think the commute would be a problem for something that hurts RIGHT NOW. Perhaps there are types of pain and corresponding drugs that might work though.

    #12776
    Avatar of OCEANOPOLIS
    OCEANOPOLIS
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    Maybe true, Tim. But then why go offshore when you can get oxys @ any corner? It should be about the format of the servic provided, not the service itself. On second thoughts, Bill Gates once said that “you have to make people need you”. Seasteading seems to be that type of business.

    #12783
    Avatar of Alan
    Alan
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    The problem is, those with severe pain cannot get oxycontin – or other legal drugs – on any corner, or even from their doctor.

    The DEA has been sending doctors too jail for “overprescribing” pain medication, including doctors who were not oversubscribing at all. As a result, doctors have been underprescribing pain medication, leaving many people without sufficient pain management.

    Alternately, there is the expense of going to a doctor to get a prescription for almost anything. For people who know what they need, especially if it is a short term thing that they can take just once or twice, an offshore location might be just the ticket – and might still be cheaper than seeing a doctor.

    Incidentally, I’m feeling much better now.

    #12785
    Avatar of tusavision
    tusavision
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    Not a good icebreaker for seasteading IMHO. Do what you want. I care not about public relations.

    #12789
    Avatar of elspru
    elspru
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    oops double post

    #12790
    Avatar of elspru
    elspru
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    ya, if you want pain relief via opiates,

    simply go to the source, get some poppy seeds,

    they are sold at grocery stores in the spices section.

    warning they will make you sleepy, and overdose is possible.

    seriously pharmaceuticals are just for stealing peoples money.

    hospitals have morphed into profiteering houses of death.

    herbs are cheaper, safer and more effective.

    on seasteads, fellow seasteaders, handle first-aid etcetera.

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    #12791
    Avatar of OCEANOPOLIS
    OCEANOPOLIS
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    Elspru.

    We are (or @ least I am) well aware what Big Pharma is doing. Yes, they have everybody by their balls and hanging tight. But obviously, you are young and healthy and you never had anything surgically removed from your body. Because when your apendix is about to burst after you have puked your guts off for 4 hours and the pain is excruciating now, that shot of morphine is God sent, no matter how much the Big Pharma is making out of it. There are no efficient herbs for that situation. I am sure you are skeptical about my statement for now…. But wait until you get older,… and you’ll see. Nobody is imune to that, nobody.

    Tusa.

    What’s a good icebraker? I don’t care either about the PR, especially when being 1500 nm offshore, since nobody on “mainland” will give a flying f… if, lets say, 200 souls will live or die on a seastead. “Do what you want” won’t really cut it out there. I am talking abot a consensus here.

    Allen.

    “When you can get oxys @ any street corner” was, more or less, a figure of speach, since here in Florida they do have a lots of “pain clinics” dispensing pain pills very easily. So easily, that about a week ago the Gmen busted more then a dozen of then from Fort Lauderdale to Miami, arresting a bunch of people for peddling pain killer to almost everybody. I did like your idea because, and since I know what pain is, I personally belive that on a future seastead nobody should suffer, regardless if is physical pain, or emotional, or starvation, or unhappiness, or any other form or shape of sufferance. If anybody will suffer on a seastead, what’s the point of execising that Brand New World?

    In general, IMnotsoHO. (since modesty didn’t get anybody too far)

    The “idea” behind this thread, the big picture, if I may, was plain and simple a conversation about making ends meet on a future seastead. The economics of seasteadoing. And any economy is resourced based. Wherever you go, here you are! If you’re going on a seastead you will be on the water. What are your resources? Water, wind, sun, fish, ocean floor, the people aboard the seastead and whatever they brought with them. If you can use and exploit your resources wisely, you’ll make it. If not you’ll fail. But if you fail while seasteading, you are an idiot. Yeap, with a capitol “I”, and as a collective of Idiots. Why?

    Because the 2 most important resources in the global economy are food and energy. And the demand will continue to increase.Seasteading has plenty of that. It has fish. Food. Limited. And it has wind and sun. Energy. Unlimited. Therefore, unlimited food. The rest of it, it’s just pocket change.

    #12792
    Avatar of tusavision
    tusavision
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    Why not build a prison? If you can’t beat them, join them.

    Prison industrial complex is a growth industry. I don’t know what the going rate is for a prisoner, but I imagine the cost of guards is factored in there somewhere. You put them in the middle of the ocean, and there’s nothing to guard. Air drop in the food and water. The problem with Alcatraz was it’s proximity to the California coast. Not an issue 200 miles off shore(and no taxes either).

    You can even create a futures market on the island: food for intel. The terrorists who give actionable intel first get first chance at the airdrops as they come in. Give them some RFID explosive collars for enforcement. They’ll learn quick. They’re trying to close Guatanamo Bay, do a little bit of the old bait and switch: call it a country, issue passports, offer the state department refuge for ex-”enemy combatants” at a $/head and then turn them in to slave labor once they’re off the boat.

    Hell, with the profits you can finance your pain clinic non-profit with donations while simultaneously planting the seeds of your future revenue stream.

    We’ll farm addicts for the penal system & rehab market.

    I’d like to say I’m joking(because honestly, that’s pretty vile shit even by my standards) but that line got blurred a long time ago.

    #12795
    Avatar of OCEANOPOLIS
    OCEANOPOLIS
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    That could make money too. But weren’t we trying to distance ourself from this f….up system?

    It’s around $40k/ year to keep an inmate locked up. The states are getting that from the feds. 2/3 of the US prison population (or maybe more) is in for pot related non-violent “crimes”. Since Portugal decriminalized ALL drugs 2-3 years ago and started spending the money otherwise used for incarceration toward treatment, the hard drug used dropped 25%, drug related crimes dropped 40%, while they were spending millions of euros less to adress the whole problem.

    #12796
    Avatar of shredder7753
    shredder7753
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    its nice to reflect on these ideas now because in outer space the same situation may well exist, where there is a limited array of undustries for new businesses. just another reason why seasteading is charting the path for the future of humanity.

    hey heres an idea! market the seastead living spaces to artists and designers. all they need is space to dream and work, and internet to communicate their ideas.

    one question i have is about the internet. from what i’ve read, the best internet you can get out there is like 128 Kbps? for $1500/mo.? ouch. the competitive countries are getting ready to unleash 1 Gbps on their citizens, while the USA is still on about 10 Mbps for the majority of our people. how we can work out the internet. was that discussed already like 3-4 yrs ago?

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    #12797
    Avatar of Alan
    Alan
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    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:
    “When you can get oxys @ any street corner” was, more or less, a figure of speach, since here in Florida they do have a lots of “pain clinics” dispensing pain pills very easily. So easily, that about a week ago the Gmen busted more then a dozen of then from Fort Lauderdale to Miami, arresting a bunch of people for peddling pain killer to almost everybody.”

    That is Law Enforcement’s narrative. Considering that the DEA has been jailing doctors for years for “overprescribing” when most doctors are actually “underprescribing”, the recent arrests were almost certainly of doctors who were merely not underprescribing for pain as much as their peers.

    Of course, this means that off the coast of Florida might be an ideal location for such a pain clinic. It has a relatively wealthy older population that might be willing to head offshore when their pain gets unmanageable.

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