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  • #10483
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    are part of a long history of maritime tradition, which, by the way, it seems that you have no clue about. Nobody’s “forcing” the “individual seasteads” (which , by the way, in terms of international maritime law are SHIPS – if mobile) to do nothing. It is just the way things are done @ SEA, regardless of your libertarian ideas,…dude.

    #10485
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    wohl1917
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    weather founded on libertarian ideals or any other is dependent on self-discipline and Self-Determination is dependent on organization or it degenerates into anarchy. I would submit that you’ve not looked into the various codes of rules on how flags are to be flown. Ignorance doesn’t become you Smitty! The ‘rules’ promote standardization for those who would choose to make their own as opposed to buying them through the Republic. As to ‘how’ the flag should be flown, when they choose to fly it all, the ‘rules’ promote a sence of ‘community’ in the knowledge that others show the attention to detail that life at sea absolutely require. As for a ‘strong central authority [to] regulate and enforce these flag rules’ there isn’t one. No need…

    < http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>

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    Altaica
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    wohl1917 wrote:
    Self-Determination is dependent on organization or it degenerates into anarchy.

    -kratia means “the rule of others.”

    autocracy from Greek ‘autokráteia’. auto means ‘self’, so litirally “self-cracy” yet autocracy doesn’t mean “compleaty liberty”, autocracy means “unlimited authority, power, or influence of one person in any group.

    Any society founded on Self-Determination is be definition ALLREADY (a type of) anarchy.

    Self-organization is not some not some mythicail beast, it has been well proven.

    wohl1917 wrote:
    freedom weather founded on libertarian ideals or any other is dependent on self-discipline.

    liberty is “freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control.”

    The one choice that maters is the choice of who is going to decide the rest of your choices.

    If you force them to choose themself as the one to make their (other) choices it then they not truely free.

    If you are denied the Freedom to choose who’s discipline you are under what is the point of the other Freedoms that your lord grants you.

    ouk emou alla tou logou akousantas homologein sophon estin hen

    #10516
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    Altaica
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    i_is_j_smith wrote:

    wohl1917 wrote:

    the “Declarative Theory of Statehood” is when a state declares itself independent of recognition.

    Sorry, I meant to say the “Constitutive Theory of Statehood”. My bad.

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    Of the Constitutive Theory of Statehood has NEVER been used by the Internation community.

    The only thing close is the Constitutive creation of member states of Empires, but those are NOT independent states.

    Puppet States are treated as terra nullius or protectorates depending on the whim of the other state.

    ouk emou alla tou logou akousantas homologein sophon estin hen

    #10517
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    wohl1917
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    It is the “Declarative Theory of Statehood” that has [almost] NEVER been used by the International community.

    < http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>

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    Shouri
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    Then could you please enlighten us and define what ‘True Freedom’ is?

    Anarchy or should i say State of Nature? A direct democracy? can you apply direct democracy to a 250 million populated country? If so, how?

    There is no such thing called true freedom in my dictionary.

    ‘Free: the state of being free, having freedom’ is a wrong definition or should i say it lacks meaning. There are limits in every system, Universe has a set of laws named Physics that applies to every matter, nature has laws that apply to anything that lives in it, societies have laws that applies to it’s members, these are required, these laws define the existance of each unit in a system, nothing can exist without rules. Even our imaginary worlds have laws, we can deny physics in our dreams perhaps but still there are limits..limits to what we can imagine, we input data to our cerebrum through our sensory organs and we process them and weave dreams using the threads we have previously acquired namely data. Don’t fret when you hear the word ‘law’ please, laws are necessary, what we don’t want is corruption and it is only achiveable by weaving an appropriate legal system.

    As for getting respect for a flag…Symbolism is just symbolism, what does getting respect for a flag means anyway? Don’t use pirate flag or cannabis leaf or anything else that gives criminal impression and you’ll be fine. Get respect for your organization or micronation, whatever you call it if you can actually manage that, everyone will respect your flag. Humanitarian Aid Foundations’ flags are well respected in everywhere(at least by public) so we might just try this perhaps? First set off as an enviromentalist and humanitarian organization so that public gets to know us as ‘good guys’ we can give homeless people in africa some education and make them our crew thus effectively giving them homes and food on table in turn they give us necessary workforce and PR. We can have role in creating reefs to promote new ecosystems in some places(if the spot is carefully thought it might be used as an income source in the long run, like, doing it outside others’ EEZ and in a shallow spot which may be a good place to start our seasteading community in the future when we have enough respect for our organization)

    #10546
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    Altaica
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    Profile photo of Altaica
    Altaica
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    Shouri wrote:

    Then could you please enlighten us and define what ‘True Freedom’ is?

    Altaica wrote:

    liberty is ” freedom from or government or control.”

    The one choice that maters is the choice of who is going to decide the rest of your choices.

    If you force them to choose themself as the one to make their (other) choices it then they not truely free.

    If you are denied the Freedom to choose who’s discipline you are under what is the point of the other Freedoms that your lord grants you.

    I guess not being a Native English speaker you missed ‘free as in ‘free speech’ not ‘free beer”?

    ‘truely free’ is özgür not bedava

    Shouri wrote:
    Anarchy or should i say State of Nature? A direct democracy? can you apply direct democracy to a 250 million populated country? If so, how?

    You would apply it you a country of 250 million the same way you apply People’s Republic of China to a country of 1.3 billion people.

    You keep the population happy enough about how the goverment is running that they don’t want to get off their ass and do something about.

    Which is why I don’t Territorial-States.

    I perfer Ethnic-States.

    and since you have no idea what an ‘Ethnic Group’ is

    UNESCO wrote:

    National, religious, geographic, linguistic and cultural groups do not necessarily coincide with racial groups: and the cultural traits of such groups have no demonstrated genetic connection with racial traits. Because serious errors of this kind are habitually committed when the term ‘race’ is used in popular parlance, it would be better when speaking of human races to drop the term ‘race’ altogether and speak of ‘ethnic groups’.

    Ethnic-States are vary applicable to version of the Great Law of Peace(the oral constitution whereby the Iroquois Confederacy was bound together)

    and you can then define territories on Sustainable Area Budgeted regions and on drainage basins

    Shouri wrote:
    ‘Free: the state of being free, having freedom’ is a wrong definition or should i say it lacks meaning. There are limits in every system, Universe has a set of laws named Physics that applies to every matter, nature has laws that apply to anything that lives in it, societies have laws that applies to it’s members, these are required, these laws define the existance of each unit in a system, nothing can exist without rules.

    Let’s see liberty is “freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control.”

    so lets say, “the power to determine your ((arbitrary or despotic) (government or control)) without restraint.”?

    Shouri wrote:
    As for getting respect for a flag…Symbolism is just symbolism, what does getting respect for a flag means anyway?

    I think your right. Peope are puting the carrage before the horse. Constitutive theory of statehood or Declarative theory of statehood You need a goverment BEFORE you can become a state.

    Shouri wrote:
    Don’t use pirate flag or cannabis leaf or anything else that gives criminal impression and you’ll be fine.

    Why the Canada bashing? :D I know the Canadians claim it’s a japanese mable leaf on their flag. :P

    Shouri wrote:
    Get respect for your organization or micronation, whatever you call it if you can actually manage that, everyone will respect your flag. Humanitarian Aid Foundations’ flags are well respected in everywhere(at least by public) so we might just try this perhaps?

    Googleing Humanitarian Aid Foundations’ didn’t turn up anything but a dead link to http://www.humanitarianaidfoundation.org

    I don’t know of any cases of them actualy using it but the United Nations claims the right to have vessals under their own flag.

    Shouri wrote:
    First set off as an enviromentalist and humanitarian organization so that public gets to know us as ‘good guys’ we can give homeless people in africa some education and make them our crew thus effectively giving them homes and food on table in turn they give us necessary workforce and PR. We can have role in creating reefs to promote new ecosystems in some places(if the spot is carefully thought it might be used as an income source in the long run, like, doing it outside others’ EEZ and in a shallow spot which may be a good place to start our seasteading community in the future when we have enough respect for our organization)

    Their is no resoan to do bussness out side of EEZ if you aren’t claiming to be an independant nation.

    What are you going to do when the local King Tāufaʻāhau comes along and says your in his EEZ? THe Seabed Authority isn’t going to hear your case becouse your not a member nation. and even if there isn’t a King Tāufaʻāhau the country that your registered under will tax you.

    besides outside the EEZ’s in nowhere. so their is none to see that you are the good guys.

    Trying to get the Goverments of the States to like you is a waste of time there is nothing you can do that won’t piss them off(ether right now or later when you declare independance). You need to work on the PEOPLE of the States and the people don’t live out side of EEZs . So you need to operate as international aid inside the territories of the big and local( to your planned seasteading site) while flying your flag on you land offices and small craft that don’t usually fly their flag of registry. Then once people to are familiar with your flag and know it goes to your organization you can start flying it on larger ships that usualy fly their flag of registry. Then when you have enough people knowing about your organisation you can sign the Geneva Conventions and other international treaties that aren’t limited to States. The Geneva Conventions are a good star tbecouse, 1) they are explisant about non-state international powers 2) It’s adminitured by an international organisation. 3) To refuse to let you join would immunize you from all war crimes!

    International Law does not say that a State is not in existence as long as it is not recognised, but it takes no notice of it before its recognition. Through recognition only and exclusively a State becomes an International Person and a subject of International Law.

    οὐκ ἐμοῦ, ἀλλá½° τοῦ λόγου ἀκούσαντας ὁμολογεῖν σο­φόν ἐστιν ἓν πάντα εἶναί

    #10550
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    elspru
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    Shouri wrote:

    Then could you please enlighten us and define what ‘True Freedom’ is?

    Anarchy or should i say State of Nature? A direct democracy? can you apply direct democracy to a 250 million populated country? If so, how?

    having atom-tribes as a basis.

    the voting system has yes (1), no (-1) and neutral (0) votes.

    each candidate or idea can be voted on,

    then can see the final scores.

    There is no such thing called true freedom in my dictionary.

    Don’t fret when you hear the word ‘law’ please, laws are necessary, what we don’t want is corruption and it is only achiveable by weaving an appropriate legal system.

    sure and for different levels of interactions

    there can be different laws.

    what happen within an atom tribe,

    is goverened by the laws agreed upon

    by the particular atom tribe.

    allowing for a diverse base.

    inter-atom laws can be seperate, as inter-molecular, and so on for the different scales.

    though they can certainly have similarities.

    As for getting respect for a flag…Symbolism is just symbolism, what does getting respect for a flag means anyway? Don’t use pirate flag or cannabis leaf or anything else that gives criminal impression and you’ll be fine. Get respect for your organization or micronation, whatever you call it if you can actually manage that, everyone will respect your flag. Humanitarian Aid Foundations’ flags are well respected in everywhere(at least by public) so we might just try this perhaps?

    Really? do you have some links to use of such flags on nautical ships?

    Maybe blackwater like companies use their own private flags?

    I’d be interested in finding out your sources.

    First set off as an enviromentalist and humanitarian organization so that public gets to know us as ‘good guys’

    Ya.

    we can give homeless people in africa some education

    and make them our crew thus effectively giving them homes and food on table

    in turn they give us necessary workforce and PR.

    I’ll take part in the temperate and polar latitude projects.

    We can have role in creating reefs to promote new ecosystems in some places(if the spot is carefully thought it might be used as an income source in the long run, like, doing it outside others’ EEZ and in a shallow spot which may be a good place to start our seasteading community in the future when we have enough respect for our organization)

    Well it would make sense to have a nautically based organization,

    or providing a maritime service such as transporation.

    With seasteading islands serving as hubs,

    offering repairs, refueling, socials.

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    #10554
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    elspru
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    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    First of all, thats a shity looking Flag. Try this one

    And, if you want anybody to “respect” your flag you shud be prepared to defend it and die for what it represents. Thats it.

    Actually I’d have to say that’s a “shity” flag.

    whereas mine is comparitively “sucky”.

    where shity means much compexity,

    and sucky means much simplicity.

    The anchor might be a symbol of shore navies,

    but seasteaders don’t actually use anchors,

    since the ocean floor is kilometes away.

    So here we have a universal flag!

    a universal flag

    It is the spirit of many nations flags.

    the tree stripes are quite common amongst all.

    colors of nation flags are varied.

    black gray and white includes no color, neutral color, and all color.

    also it represent how we start as nothing and rise to everything.

    and that we have mixing to have balanced perspective.

    galactically it represent the union of the empire, the priesthood and the federation.

    on a planetary scale,

    the deep, the surface and the sky.

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    #10561
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    If you want to be a seasteader without an anchor, and with a black and gray flag (or is it gray and black ?) its ok by me. But regardless of the color of the flag, I firmly believe that if you want anybody to “respect” your flag you shud be prepared to defend it and die for what it represents.

    #10562
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    elspru
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    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    If you want to be a seasteader without an anchor,

    well the shore-going boats can have anchors.

    A seastead is more likely to be equiped with hydrofoil equipment,

    to sail on the currents, or some other passive propulsion.

    Can keep in a similar spot,

    by continously sailing back to it,

    on auto-pilot preferably.

    Or can take a migatory route,

    or can spend time in a parking zone,

    like the doldrums or the horse latitudes.

    and with a black and gray flag (or is it gray and black ?) its ok by me.

    It’s actually black gray and white.

    If you have a white background on your monitor, you might not be seeing it clearly.

    I didn’t include an outline in the drawing,

    my browser is pale green on indigo.

    But regardless of the color of the flag, I firmly believe that if you want anybody to “respect” your flag you shud be prepared to defend it and die for what it represents.

    Okay well certainly am prepared to defend it.

    I prefer to live long however.

    Can always make a new one,

    part of the beauty of the flag,

    is it is a relatively simple design,

    so can be quite easy to make.

    I certainly am willing to make decisions towards long life expectancy.

    The design of the flag is to encourage it’s longevity.

    Here I added a border:

    and made it bigger:

    People can add on symbols of their tribe,

    if they keep the same background,

    we’ll know it’s the same network.

    tranquil aware desire choice love express intuit channel

    #10564
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    wohl1917
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    internation [sic] documentation [sic] that has stated a State is what another state says is a state.”

    OK: The 1933 Montevideo Convention on Rights and Duties of States adopted by the Seventh International Conference of American States.

    < http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>

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    I wish you to live long and prosper, on the anchorless seastead, flying a black, grey and white flag, while running your hydrofoyl and the auto-pilot. When you have to “park”, watch out for for the handicap no parking signs, ’cause the tickets are steep and” they” might revoke your license.

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