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  • #1506
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    Shoredweller
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    Hi there!

    (though I guess there are more Gentlemen here than Ladies)

    A short indtroduction is better than none I guess, so here I go… based on Englands South coast I decided to (re)build my own little seastead a few years ago, and that’s what I do since then.

    Low budget, a lot DIM (do-it-myself) and Selfmotivation. 60 years old, 50ft, 45 tons, 6Cyl Gardner Engine.

    I stumbled over seasteading over a year ago and like the idea – hopefully the seas will stay “free” over the next century, though I doubt it really…

    With the beginning exploitation of the seabed and all technic readily available, it might be a bit like when the US West Coast was “discovered”, first claimers are the owners…I bet the countries sea property will be extended at some point of growing “monetary interest”, let it be oil, gas, minerals or just living space, where it comes back to seasteading…with a future offering an unsolved global overpopulation and space staying final frontier, an unrealistic fictional idea, the new regional and global conflicts will be fought for minerals, food and water – probably even more likely by cooperations than countries, have new untaxable & autonomous “bases” in the vast areas of the oceans.

    But the oceans are still the widest “empty” unclaimed area on earth, so it will take some time.

    The time is right and societies are ready for seasteadings, so lets support the idea!

    #13528
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    wohl1917
    Participant

    Shoredweller! You have a boat and so are much closer to ‘seasteading’ than most of the folks on here.;)

    < http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>

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    Shoredweller
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    wohl1917
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    all of the above, and thank you for asking! The Oceanic Citizens Republic is my project. Long before I knew that the Seasteading Institute existed I came up with the idea of ‘Seastations’. I envisioned them to be like the ‘Stations’ or prarie towns in the out-back of Austrailia or the American West. Places where people could sail to for trade and to have a sence of community with other people on the sea. My thinking was along these lines:

    There is no ‘land’ that is not already owned, claimed, controled or within the ‘Sphere of Influence’ of some existing Nation State. As populations and sealevels rise the people will have to go somewhere. Because there is no ‘land’ free or otherwise, they will have to go the the sea in boats, ships and floating platforms of some kind. There is no rock sticking out of the water, no shallow area or deep-sea mount that is not already owned, claimed, controled or within the sphere of influence of some nation-state. PERIOD! You cannot fight them over it and win. In order to survive and be free you have to go out beyond the line to the places they don’t think they want. You have to go to that part of the map, where on the old maps, it said ‘Here there be Dragons’ with pictures of seamonsters because there was nothing there on the map to cover up. People will get there in Single and Multi-Family Seasteads aka., boats, ships and floating platforms of some kind. What will these places look like? Beautiful, esthetically pleasing model communities as depicted here and elsewhere on the web? I think not! More than likely it will look like ‘Water World’. But it couldn’t BE Water World. Water World was a movie fantasy, a ‘Mad Max on the Sea’ world that only an insane person would want to live in. No, you have to have ‘government’ with a small ‘G’. In my opinion that government, optimally, should reflect the reality of life at sea. Useing the best sources available as models, I wrote the Constitution of the Oceanic Citizens Republic and announced it’s creation to the world on 20 Feb 07. Later, I found TSI and have been soft-selling my vision ever since. A while back, someone posted a link to < NationStates.net>. It’s a simulation game rather than a role playing, fantasy fighting game but never the less it’s pretty fun. There you will find the so-called “Republic of Oceanic People”. It has been run according to the principles laid down in the Oceanic Citizens Republic’s (OCR’s) Constitution. Within the games structure, there are variables, questions and issues that wouldn’t occur in the OCR but where possible, they were dealt with and/or answered within the game in keeping with concepts presented in the OCR’s Constitution. Check out the game and the Constitution. I stand ready to answer your questions about either. As for comments, sugestions and criticisms, I would redirect you attention to the Nation States site. The Republic of Oceanic People is your answer. The result there represents the kind of society I would choose to live in. The kind of society where the basic philosophy of citizenship is based on individual responsibility. The kind of society governed by the Rule of Law. In my assessment, the Republic of Oceanic People has done better than OK. If the Oceanic Citizens Republic does half as well the world will sail a path to our door!



    Very Respectfully,



    //SIGNED//

    John P. Wohlwend,

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    president@oceanic-citizens-republic.com>

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    Seasteader-
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    Readers, fellow SSers, This guy is a closet Federalist with as much red tape as we can find in any existing LS. Read his site then you will know what I mean.

    Oh and hi Woolsworth. Would it be ok if I post our emails? Just asking permission first in case your’e a litigious type.

    Total Physical Freedom and Total Mental Autonomy, Tempered with Common Sense.

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    #13546
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    Mad-Dog-Tannen
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    Well, Shoredweller, Seastead- thinks you are bad news, so that means you are alright by me. Nice to have as many more people with ideas founded in reality as possible – welcome.

    #13548
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    wohl1917
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    Seasteader I’m a left wing Libertarian, or at least that’s what I consistently test out as on the various political quiz’s on line. As for posting my E-Mails, I don’t mind but then I don’t see the point either! I agreed with you: you’re not an ‘ideal citizen’! That a ‘more ideal citizen’ would have refrained from making comments, suggestions and criticisms and asked reasonable, rational questions based on the information provided. Why don’t you do that instead?

    Emmettvm, I think Seasteader was talking to me…

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    Seasteader-
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    @wohl, I already did.

    Your language use is rather alarming thats why. I’ll post it later then since you don’t mind. As for comment reasonableness etc.. I have been quite realistic? Er which part seemed off kelter?

    @emmettvm

    Unrealistic? Where? Everything I suggested are 100%based in reality. Challenge whatever you don’t like but don’t label without allowing a defense.

    Damn more encirclement, heh but with something like SS, we’d expect that anyway. Ah good to know that some people here are REAL, though i think alot of mesreading can and has occured. Whatever you guys think keep on at it, but don’t shoot other people’s observations and ideas down in the interim. Lots of landstead agents?

    Well post on guys.

    Total Physical Freedom and Total Mental Autonomy, Tempered with Common Sense.

    Utopia – Capitalism with Socialist Caps on Personal Wealth – US$20 Million
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    #13555
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    shredder7753
    Participant

    Seasteader- wrote:

    @wohl, I already did. Your language use is rather alarming thats why. I’ll post it later then since you don’t mind. As for comment reasonableness etc.. I have been quite realistic? Er which part seemed off kelter? @emmettvm Unrealistic? Where? Everything I suggested are 100%based in reality. Challenge whatever you don’t like but don’t label without allowing a defense. Damn more encirclement, heh but with something like SS, we’d expect that anyway. Ah good to know that some people here are REAL, though i think alot of mesreading can and has occured. Whatever you guys think keep on at it, but don’t shoot other people’s observations and ideas down in the interim. Lots of landstead agents? Well post on guys. Total Physical Freedom and Total Mental Autonomy, Tempered with Common Sense. Utopia – Capitalism with Socialist Caps on Personal Wealth – US$20 Million http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=36665503866/quote

    alright seastinker- please read this

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    #13562
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    Shoredweller
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    I am pleasently surprised you guys gathered in my welcome tread and having a quite lively discussion, kinda like that!

    Werent it the greek philosophers who gathered on regular weekly bases to exchange their ideas of the perfect society? Exchange of ideas is GOOD in my opinion, and arguments are constructive when people still talk.

    @ Wohl and Seasteader:

    I’ll check out both of your visions; am very courious about new social ideas!

    Leaves me with a bit of an urge to at least a bit describe my point of believe in here: I am quite pragmatic when it comes to human beings and their societies…in my opinion there is a lot to learn of history, for sure when it comes to “patterns” – surely we live in a “special” century, with all its developements and level of technical exploitation of our environment. Time will tell.

    Back to my believe: as long as there are no “perfect” societies/countries, I find the idea of “PT” or “perpetual traveller” (or “perpetual tourist”) quite tempting, with different “bases”, for my different activities. There is a lot published about “PT”, and it doesnt only fit the “filthy rich” to protect from draconic taxes, it also fit the toe of someone being disgusted by big-brother-control-states (…like they seem to sprout everywhere (AGAIN! ..only 70 years have passed) since that bright sunny day back in 2001, 9/11) …so, back to my philosophy, it might sound selfish (…what it doubtlessly is!) …as long as there is no real alternative to live freely and without govermential harrassment, as long I will I pick the best out of all of them, just as they (states/political contructs) offer something.

    Doesnt mean complete freedom, because one have to “bond” temporarely with a state form, but it is on the path to freedom I would say. Much more to say, much more to think; anyway – it is nice to exchange thoughts with you fellas!

    Everything started with an idea,eh?

    Wether’s getting stormy outside, have to adjust the ropes now.

    #13567
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    Seasteader-
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    1) That a ‘more ideal citizen’ would have refrained from making comments, suggestions and criticisms . . .

    Ideal means no questions asked? Where did we hear that before? Some corrupt corporation buying off the equally corrupt government that politicians refuse to amend bylaws for?

    2) . . . and asked reasonable, rational questions based on the information provided

    What if the information provided DOES NOT allow reasonable, rational questions OR is not accurate or misinformative? Who decides what information allows such questions or is accurate and informative?

    3) Why don’t you do that instead?

    I ALWAYS do that. Of course I am n major institution, but do take time to do an audit on the intent behind any of my postings so far. The intent is ‘do that instead’. I have been doing ‘that instead’.

    Heres the exchange on how who I perceive as a Federalist Woolsworth is :

    S.S.er,
    After carefully reading your E-Mail, I have to agree with you: you’re not my ‘ideal citizen’. A more ‘ideal’ citizen would have refrained from making comments and asked questions based on the information provided. Never the less, since you did ask a few questions, I’ll answer them.
    1. The OCR’s Home Territory is one square nautical mile, the other five ‘Territorial Surfaces’ do not have ‘size’ as such. They are points on the globe where the people congregate. At this time there is no one at any of them.
    2. If a person didn’t want to serve in the Active Reserve of the Naval Militia they would serve in the Unarmed Civil Services or pay restitution to the Republic for their failure to serve. The idea is that people who are involved, actively involved in the defense and/or functioning of anything have a direct interest in it continuance. In the Republic there are no ‘They’ or ‘Them’. It will be ‘We’ and ‘Us’! As for those who truly don’t want to participate, then they pay for the privilege of the protection provided by those who do!
    3. The ‘we’re under attack, man the fortifications’ theory of defense worked when people lobbed rocks at each other. The Lybian Rebels operate under almost the same theory and if it weren’t for NATO air support, Qaddafi would have killed them all by now! Any meaningful or effective defense requires organization, planning and discipline.
    4. The Republic has renounced the right to tax. Period. The idea behind the issuing of Licenses is the ‘Legal Persons’ ie., corporations have to be registered just the citizens themselves. One time, one low fee.

    Very Respectfully,

    //SIGNED//
    John P. Wohlwend,
    President, OCR

    Life is good but…

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    From: S.L. Choy
    To: john wohlwend
    Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 6:48:31 PM
    Subject: General Response

    Hey there Pres.Wodlwend,

    Here’s a post I made to better acquaint you with what I have in mind.

    http://seasteading.org/interact/forums/community/volunteering-opportunities/immediate-colony-put-money-where-mouth-is

    Try replacing the word ‘yield’ with ‘adhere to’, the psychology of words, NLP and all that y’know. Sovereign individuals don’t yield. They will and only with consent ‘adhere’. Or depart for the next freer Seastead.

    I.1.2 All persons natural and legal must yield to these principles.

    Try replacing ALL languages. If the person can’t communicate, gesture and sign until they understand. Disenfranchisement is a serious thing, though stupidly politically correct is no better.
    I.3.6 The English Language is the official language of the Republic.

    Ok you’ve got several locations. But are they occupied by any colonists? Which is the largest, and dya have any photos of the colony? Otherwise better team up with S.I.’s Peter and Patri for a better sense of community. In fact why not offer to team up with S.I., after all, the oceans of the world belong to everyone no?

    II.2.5a) Service in the Active Reserve of the Naval Militia or Unarmed Civil Services is a duty, whoever fails to serve shall pay restitution to the Republic as the honor is to serve.

    What if I don’t want to be a stormtrooper? How about this make it mandatory to fight if the colony is attacked. All deserters can later be refused citizenship. The last thing we need is conscriptions.

    II.2.6 If the Militia is Mobilized, its members make the following Affirmation: “I __________________ do solemnly affirm, that I will support and defend the Constitution of the Oceanic Citizens Republic, bearing true faith and allegiance to the same, that I will obey the orders of the President as Commander in Chief of the Militia and Leaders appointed over me according to Law and Regulations.”

    Too much red tape. A ‘we’re under attack, man the fortifications, (defend the weak and defenseless)’ will do. Whats with the militarization and formalisation of stuff? It’s a Seastead DUDE. Play Fallout 3 or watch Waterworld lol. Change this constitution, cos it’s just too heavy.

    II.2.7 The Naval Militia draws up its own Laws, Regulations and procedures regarding qualifications, duties, positions, promotions and discipline within the ranks.

    Ahem, ‘discipline in ranks’? You’ll get nada to discipline among us free sovereign Seasteading types. (And he said ‘ Talk to the ‘hand’.)

    II.1.1 Executive power is vested in the Republic.

    III.1.2 The President is the head of the Republic.

    III.1.3 The President selects the National Ministers who are approved by the Senate.

    III.1.4 The President selects the Ambassadors who are approved by the Senate.

    III.1.5 The President is Commander in Chief of the Naval Militia.

    III.1.5a) The President selects the six Fleet Admirals and six Vice Fleet Admirals, one Admiral Combined Fleet and one Vice Admiral Combined Fleet who are nominated by the Militia and approved by the Senate.

    WTF?!? Looked like Zimbabwe for a moment. Who made you Colonel Gadhaffi? OMG you have to change some of this. More hippy, less Red Coat, less Federal pls..

    III.1.6 The President drafts and submits to the Senate the annual budget.

    III.1.7 The office of President ends at the time of retirement, when the President is impeached or resigns.

    III.1.8 The President is the parliamentary president of the Senate but votes only in the event of a tie.

    III.1.8a) The President may be heard during sessions according to the same rules that govern the participation of members of the Senate on bills when introduced or being considered.

    III.1.9 The President has line item veto power over bills passed by the Senate, except in matters of impeachment or Laws altering this Constitution.

    III.1.10 The President is elected by and from the Senate with precedence over all other business.

    SNORE. If I hear the word President or Parliament one more time . . . we’re supposed to gtfo of the system, I think you’ll alienate all the frontier’s types immediately. Are you trying to prepare for an invasion or an insurrection from within?

    III.1.13 The President shall not be held accountable for actions performed in the exercise of his/her office except in the case of Treason, may be indicted only by the Senate, and tried only by the Supreme Court.

    III.1.13a) Treason is defined as the wanton violation of this Constitution, the violation of allegiance and betrayal of the Republic by waging war against it, or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies foreign or domestic, or the usurpation of state power for personal gain.

    III.1.13b) Treason is punishable by Banishment on Pain of Death or Death if loss of life has resulted from its commission.

    III.1.14 There is no compensation for service as President as the honor is to serve.

    Except for the last here, ‘barfs’ at everything else. I don’t need to see you die for ‘treason’. It’s supposed to be a 60K colony, not a Pitcairn of a microstate Singapore style. Very 1800s format you have here. Yuck.

    E.O.III.12c The Service Uniform for Officers, NCOCCs and Enlisted Personnel shall be as follows:

    The Service Uniform consists of a blue jacket of rip stop material with flap covered buttons and flap covered button pockets: 2 Brest and 2 lower, blue pants of rip stop material with button fly, ankle drawstrings, six pockets: 2 slash front, 2 back flap covered button closure and 2 large leg bellows with flap covered button closure, blue/black belt with silver tip and buckle for enlisted, brass tip and buckle for E-6/O-11, white T shirt, black socks and black leather boots or shoes. The prescribed head gear is a blue ‘base ball’ type cap, with an embroidered hat brass consisting of the US Navy Warrant Officers crossed fouled anchors with the addition of a red, yellow and blue roundel above centered between the stocks. E-1 to E-5 hat brass consists of just the red, yellow and blue roundel. Cloth rate and rank insignia are worn on the collar, name and ‘OCRNM’ tapes over the brest pockets. In cold or inclement weather, the over coat or rain coat is authorized.

    I skipped the rest. Just wanna fish, grow some weed or whatever organics (khat and ketum, some shrooms maybe?), keep the aura clear and unattached and forget about big government or laws or LICENSES (SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE GOING TO ISSUE THOSE AND IMPOSE TAXES YES?!?) Even Peter and Patri of the SI aren’t talking uniforms yet. What if I want to wear a 10 Gallon and be a naked Cowboy and still fight ‘the enemy’ (with my 6 shooter). What then? (In cold or inclement weather, the over coat or rain coat is authorized. DUH!!)

    Just take a deep breath and ignore my email if I’m not your ‘ideal citizen’. Nice to meet you though! Probably we’d communicate through another Seastead if not, hope you will consider they way you intend to run your Seasteads, I don’t think they’d catch on in this current format, too formal, too ‘big government’.

    Regards,
    S.S.er

    Hi and thank you for your interest!
    To begin with, I’d like to direct you to the Oceanic Citizens Republic’s wiki page at http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki. If you click on the ‘Constitution’ link on the right side of the page, all (well most) of your questions should be answered. To answer one directly though, in order to ‘sign up’ you really need to read and study up on the Constitution first. Afterwards you’ll be in a better position to ask the questions you really want answers too. First off, we are not seditionists. Our goal is not to alter or abolish the Powers of the Earth or to take from them anything save ourselves to build a new community of like-minded individuals who shall not rely on the accident of birth or geography to define each other as comrades; individuals who instead share a common belief in the Libertarian ideals of Freedom and Self-Determination and who desire to share in the common heritage of mankind on the last frontier on earth, the Sea. That’s what the Oceanic Citizens Republic is all about in a nut shell!
    Very Respectfully,

    //SIGNED//
    John P. Wohlwend,
    President, OCR

    Life is good but…
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    From: S.L. Choy
    To: president@oceanic-citizens-republic.com
    Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 9:11:43 AM
    Subject: General Inquiry

    Hi there Seasteader,

    Where Is OCR located? Coordinates? Or is it to be a series of floating colonies?

    How often are elections held? I suggest that the post of President be held no more than 1 term at most. If this is a ‘for life’ dictatorship count me out. 2 terms is intolerable as hell as of now.

    Views on autonomous regions (i.e. series of artificial island communities with diametrically opposed communities as seen below) :

    1) Muslims who want to blare loudspeakers. Minimum distance? Or should all prayers be conducted via voice? I strongly suggest that there be no official religion or the disenfranchisement issue will occur.

    2) Asians who want to burn offerings and effigies or cow dung?

    3) Red Light districts. Moralists and non moralist sections?

    4) Growing of (but not trafficking to existing nations for certain) or organic substances, separation of green user and non-green user communities.

    5) Right to bear arms. Probably will be self policing and with no military to prevent the element of force based abuse.

    6) International official neutral observers overseers from suggested groups – UN/NAM/BRICS 3 reps..

    7) Uniformed services like Fire/Medical(Naturopath) – a single hospital or fire-dousing ship should suffice. Mid wealth level people who are interested in Seasteads could be invited to add these 2 facilities which should be the minimum, apart from covered Farmsteads.

    8) Education?

    9) Organics and pollution issues? Separate colonies for polluters? Or should only non-polluters be allowed?

    10) Where does a potential sea-steader sign up?

    11) What kind of laws? Try the one or 2 articles, and consider :
    http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=318515515322&topic=16824

    For prison worthy stuff, a period of exile to the horrible existing nations should do fine.

    12) Ideas – For the central ‘island’, I suggest engineless ships , perhaps tankers be bought and tethered together and anchored to the selected sea stead spot. Junking of multiple ships then coral seeding be considered to add ‘land’.

    Any responses will be appreciated. The GMO, radioactivity, taxes (there must be NO TAXES on Seasteads! Or UNIFORMS imposed ! Or goosestepping and honour codes for those not inclined ! But a minimum contribution for sale of citizenship or(and) at least open mooring rights perhaps? This should be done on a case by case basis.)

    Sincerely,

    S.S.er

    Looks like that separate seastead thing ight occur, but who knows, for community’s sake, we could all ignore our differences. Don’t ask me to SS in Sovereign waters unless those LSers are ready to ‘lighten up’ and all I see though is more TSA and more uniformity and NLP applications.

    No hard feelings though ! And I’d still say my ‘Way of Thought’ is MUCH more human and thus superior. Time to end potential for imposed Federalism and Junta or Nepotism and Oligarchy ! ;)

    Total Physical Freedom and Total Mental Autonomy, Tempered with Common Sense.

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    #13570
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    Mad-Dog-Tannen
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    comment, content directly quoted, capital letters added:

    “I agreed with you: you’re not an ‘ideal citizen’! That a ‘more ideal citizen’ would have refrained from making comments, suggestions and criticisms AND ASKED REASONABLE, RATIONAL QUESTIONS based on the information provided. Why don’t you do that instead?”

    response, made specifically to above comment, content directly quoted, capital letters added:

    “Ideal means NO QUESTIONS ASKED? Where did we hear that before? Some corrupt corporation buying off the equally corrupt government that politicians refuse to amend bylaws for?”

    Ive quickly learned to basically ignore Seastead-, but this is too absurd to let lie. Do you even bother reading anything anyone else types, or do you just wait for another post from some other person before posting another of your winding, whispy thought threads? Ive noticed you do this a number of times before. You seem like one of those people who only holds a conversation so they can have a chance to speak, not to listen to anything anyone else has to say.

    To be strictly fair, you do move on to comment upon his entreatment that you ask questions about his stance rather than commenting upon it without first gathering information, but you ask instead about situations which preclude any possible rational questions – something which I cannot imagine to ever exist. If an argument is illogical or irrational, the only way to enter it is through rational and logical discourse. But whatever, point made. Im sure you will, rather than anylize it, attempt to refute or repudiate it and use it as a springboard for more nonsensical crazy speak.

    This will be my last comment to you in any regards.

    #13574
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    Seasteader-
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    ” but you ask instead about situations which preclude any possible rational questions . . . Im sure you will, rather than anylize it . . . ”

    1) Aw damn you made me think. Woot ! (Runs to the nearest SS) . . . am undoing LS NLPs for the audience out of charity.

    ” attempt to refute or repudiate it and use it as a springboard for more nonsensical crazy speak. ”

    2) And this is what is needed to deal with NLPs. I hope the kiddies learnt something from this exchange and the difference between good and evil and adding value and absolute value in communication ;)

    Proven wrong aye? 1-0 in ‘my’ favour !

    Total Physical Freedom and Total Mental Autonomy, Tempered with Common Sense.

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    #13575
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    wohl1917
    Participant

    I like that! It makes me laugh.lol;)

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    shredder7753
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    KEN this guy is jerkin’ off all over our forum. couldn’t we just flag him? we cant make any real progress with that behavior. i know i was disruptive for a while but it wasnt even in the same league as this dude. *shrugs*

    Emmett – ur always welcome to talk to me. i can pick up what ur puttin down.

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