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  • #1277
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    In your opinion, What would the best enviorment of a seastead be.

    (for example: “I make my Island a tropical one, because I like the Tropics”).

    #10408
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    for a seastead would depend on the person who answers the question. The Oceanic Citizens Republic’s Home Territory and Home Territorial Surface is One Square Nautical Mile located at 121.34.00W to 121.35.00W, 10.00.00S to 10.01.00S. That was dictated by ISLE (International SeaLand Enterprises). A claim was established by them in September 1975. 10 degrees south is definitely ‘tropical’. The other Extra-Territorial Surfaces include: The O.C.R. Indian Ocean Territorial Surface at or about 90.30.00E, 30.30.00S, the O.C.R. South Atlantic Territorial Surface at or about 20.30.00W, 30.30.00S, the O.C.R. North Atlantic Territorial Surface at or about 40.30.00W, 30.30.00N, the O.C.R. South Pacific Territorial Surface at or about 125.30.00W, 48.30.00S, the O.C.R. North Pacific Territorial Surface at or about 170.30.00W, 30.30.00N. As you can see, most of these are sub-tropical because I wanted to see at least a little change in the seasons. The South Pacific Territorial Surface is simply the most isolated place on earth. All of these points were more or less chosen for their relative isolation. The answer is: Isolated.

    < http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>

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    It depends on what the seastead purpose is, I would expect most single family seasteads to be in coastal waters, under the protection of a recognised state.

    Commercial seasteads will be as close to their customers as possible, only the largest seasteads would be in international waters, doing things that might be illegal in territorial waters or simply evading taxes and ultimately becoming a sovereign state itself.

    #10598
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    I agree with ssteve.

    #10605
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    xns
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    ssteve, isn’t tour perception of a single family seastead basically a houseboat?

    King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos.

    #10614
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    elspru
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    I like temperate and polar regions.

    though I am willing to cross through the tropics.

    to get to the other pole as it be.

    Buckwheat is my favorite grain.

    Though Quinoa is more likely to succeed in a maritime environment.

    I’d be happy with some well insulated grow chambers and electrical power for lights.

    There is plenty of wind for power in cold winters.

    polar regions also have the most unprotected and least claimed land.

    also home to the largest world ocean maritime passages.

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    #10615
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    xns wrote:
    ssteve, isn’t tour perception of a single family seastead basically a houseboat?

    King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos.

    No, I imagine a single family seastead to be at least 20metres by 20 metres square or in diameter, and three storeys high, not cheap but spacious enough to not feel like a prison.

    #10619
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    ssteve wrote:

    xns wrote:

    ssteve, isn’t tour perception of a single family seastead basically a houseboat?

    King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos.

    No, I imagine a single family seastead to be at least 20metres by 20 metres square or in diameter, and three stories high, not cheap but spacious enough to not feel like a prison.

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    Hey at 20m^3 per person and 2m per floor,

    you could fit 120 people in a house like that.

    could be quite expensive.

    How about an Octopod instead?

    Octagonal Hull Stead
    roomHeight 2.06158430208
    hullHeight 4.609842623079436
    roomWidth 7.458882098791712
    roomDiamter 8.07343580663271
    hullSide 3.0895701254614227
    moundHeight 1.2741291604997176
    moundSlant 3.34198274648141
    Area
    wallArea 6.369409270826605
    floorArea 46.08947860353173
    moundArea 73.18430112904848
    hullArea 197.3238764247098
    Volume
    moundVolume 37.470059667082694
    roomVolume 95.01734558009305
    hullVolume 169.95746491425842

    8m or 27 foot LOA

    enough for 4-8 people.

    1 main floor, a basement and an attic.

    weighing in at about 4 tons in ferrocement,

    displacing up to 40 tons safely while,

    geometrically balanced.

    ocean worthy.

    you could literally hoarde tons of stuff.

    or transport as the case may be.

    by price barter calculation for just the territorial desire quenching shell

    root((4000^3.2) * (4 * (10^-9)), 3) = approx. 11.037837

    or about 11 kg of gold.

    fiat costs can vary.

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    #10622
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    At the current gold price, your octopod costs £243,650, I very much doubt that my SFS will cost as much as that, and remember, you cannot step out of your seastead and go for a walk, so you need more space at sea than you do on land, if only to find a little peace and quiet from your family once or twice a day.

    You also need space to grow food, generate electricity, collect, store, and purify water, space for waste treatment, if you want to be mobile, you will have 2 huge diesel engines plus fuel tanks, more general storage than you need on land, and probably more for things you will not realise you need until you need them.

    #10624
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    elspru
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    ssteve wrote:

    At the current gold price, your octopod costs £243,650,

    cool, well it should cost a lot less to construct.

    root((4000^2.4) * (4 * (10^-9)), 3) = approx. 1.2087449

    here how about now? 1.2kg of gold.

    I very much doubt that my SFS will cost as much as that, and remember, you cannot step out of your seastead and go for a walk, so you need more space at sea than you do on land, if only to find a little peace and quiet from your family once or twice a day.

    the seastead has space requirements as recomended by NASA for outer space.

    in fact on a seastead you can go outside, and go for a swim.

    wheras in space you typically don’t have that luxury.

    You also need space to grow food,

    well there is the ocean,

    much of the food can come from there.

    can of course have some kind of aquatic farm,

    to grow kelp or other marine life.

    generate electricity,

    wind, wave and solar power stored in oxyhydrogen.

    the tanks can be stored at a high external place for safety.

    collect, store, and purify water,

    well thats what a water maker is for.

    a vacuum boiler seems quite efficient.

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    space for waste treatment,

    [/quote]

    compost toilet

    if you want to be mobile, you will have 2 huge diesel engines plus fuel tanks,

    Diesel is wasteful and derogatory. Oil is for making plastics.

    I thought we were being sustainable around here.

    Can use hydrogen power, though passive propulsion is much better,

    such as sails, hydrofoils, and passive wave powered water pumps.

    more general storage than you need on land,

    yep there is a basement and attic

    and probably more for things you will not realise you need until you need them.

    sure okay, so up to four people in the octopod then.

    Octagonal Hull Stead
    roomHeight 2.06158430208
    hullHeight 4.609842623079436
    roomWidth 7.458882098791712
    roomDiamter 8.07343580663271
    hullSide 3.0895701254614227
    moundHeight 1.2741291604997176
    moundSlant 3.34198274648141
    Area
    wallArea 6.369409270826605
    floorArea 46.08947860353173
    moundArea 73.18430112904848
    hullArea 197.3238764247098
    Volume
    moundVolume 37.470059667082694
    roomVolume 95.01734558009305
    hullVolume 169.95746491425842

    95 / 4 = 23.75 m^3 living space each

    so (37.47 * 2) / 4 = 18.735 m^3 of storage space each

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    #10625
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    To give me a similar floor area to my SFS, I would need 7 octopods at a cost of £186,060 and that still would not give me as much space as I think necessary, if I were paying to lift every gramme into space, I would also say astronauts will like living like battery hens, but I must consider living in a seastead for the rest of my life.

    The sea is a dangerous place and lives will probably be lost if family members go swimming in the open ocean, inshore, there is a significant risk of being run over by boats, that’s how Kirsty macColl was killed.

    #10629
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    elspru
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    ssteve wrote:

    To give me a similar floor area to my SFS, I would need 7 octopods at a cost of £186,060 and that still would not give me as much space as I think necessary, if I were paying to lift every gramme into space, I would also say astronauts will like living like battery hens, but I must consider living in a seastead for the rest of my life.

    have you spent most of your life living in palaces?

    my octopod had some gross miscalculations,

    turns out there is less area and volume.

    now only enough for 2 people.

    here’s the revised result:

    Octagonal Hull Stead
    roomHeight 2.06158430208
    hullHeight 3.335713494631711
    roomWidth 5.397297848572926
    roomDiamter 5.841993093950253
    hullSide 2.235633969046033
    moundDepth 1.5808319397634463
    moundHeight 0.6370645962758554
    moundSlant 1.7043711220284092
    Area
    floorArea 12.066382411328705
    deckArea 4.99805924355252
    wallArea 4.608947895782107
    moundArea 26.04922099183253
    hullArea 88.97002514992192
    Volume
    moundVolume 9.8097894354876
    roomVolume 24.875864562089475
    hullVolume 44.49544343306468

    and here’s a hexagonal version,

    this one has a v shaped boat bottom,

    and a hexagonal platform on the attic:

    Hexagonal Seasted of
    roomHeight 2.06158430208
    roomDiameter 5.397297848572926
    roomWidth 4.67419704865525
    roomWall 2.698648924286463
    moundHeight 0.6370645962758554
    cellarVerticie 2.7728247900616805
    cellarSideHyp 2.4223709072399466
    cellarKeelHyp 1.1894642509592293
    Area
    floorArea 18.921025255884675
    deckArea 11.693836628825276
    wallArea 33.3809535548043
    atticArea 25.5678604502155
    cellarArea 18.836904479542994
    hullArea 77.78571848456279
    Volume
    atticVolume 3.2009846698920925
    cellarVolume 4.735713299586809
    roomVolume 39.00728864679106
    hullVolume 46.94398661626997

    with 10 module island, you’ll have enough room on deck to grow food to feed yourself,

    assuming you have 3 crops a year, at half a kilo per m^2, and half a kilo enough for daily requirements.

    The sea is a dangerous place and lives will probably be lost if family members go swimming in the open ocean, inshore, there is a significant risk of being run over by boats, that’s how Kirsty macColl was killed.

    ya, well traffic accidents kill lots of people, cars are quite fast.

    Did you know safety regulations require having “diving buyo” and flag if you’re in the water.

    at the moment there isn’t much traffic in the middle of the ocean.

    Personally I prefer sails and other passive propulsion,

    which are much safer for anyone concerned.

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    #15345
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    Todesking
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    In the tropics you have more storms and unstable governements to deal with. I would build off the coast of Northern California and as far from Mexico as I could to avoid being anexed as a tourist stop or plundered by a rogue Mexican naval unit. I would be afraid of Florida or the Carolinas due to storms and being too close to Cuban waters.

    #15392
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    I d consider the US government much more likely to intervene in any seastead than most other governments worldwide, including Mexico or Cuba. Just look at their foreign policies.

    I don t know about storms, but at least hurricanes don t exist in the South Atlantic.

    Being closer to poorer continents is also interesting concerning labor force. You ll find more people willing to immigrate to your seastead.

    And, well, the weather is a lot better in the tropics. :-)

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