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  • #1707
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    elspru
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    This is for seasteading projects in the Great Lakes area of north-america,

    It is a resource rich area, with large expanses of fresh-water.

    target is to do moored, anchored, and submerged seasteading.

    Currently the plan, is to design, a floating dry-dock and submersible sailboat,

    which shall be constructed in the spring time, likely anchored near Toronto beaches.

    During the winter, shall work on getting all the paperwork in order, serving notices, and location scouting.

    Potentially shall also gather a group to assist with construction, perhaps occupying site 24/7.

    Currently have somewhat of a backlog of notices to serve.

    Due to legal restrictions, I’m unable to register a business, and thereby can’t be a canadian manufacturer,

    however can serve notices for the formation of a society, and be a manufacturer of that society.

    Anyhow, so anyone interested in Great Lakes Seasteading, is welcome to join the dialog, and the more practical and physical aspects, feel free to make suggestions.

    #16404
    Avatar of wohl1917
    wohl1917
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    and they will come! Good luck and Gods Speed Spru!

    < http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>

    Avatar of OCEANOPOLIS
    OCEANOPOLIS
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    Motion to strike, delete and overall question mental integrity of the person named Elspru on the bases of incoherent posting due to the following statement:

    “This is for seasteading projects in the Great Lakes area of north-america.

    It is a resource rich area, with large expanses of fresh-water,

    target is to do moored, anchored, and submerged seasteading.

    Currently the plan, is to design, a floating dry-dock and submersible sailboat,

    which shall be constructed in the spring time, likely anchored near Toronto beaches.

    During the winter, shall work on getting all the paperwork in order, serving notices, and location scouting.

    Potentially shall also gather a group to assist with construction, perhaps occupying site 24/7.

    Currently have somewhat of a backlog of notices to serve.

    Due to legal restrictions, I’m unable to register a business, and thereby can’t be a canadian manufacturer,

    however can serve notices for the formation of a society, and be a manufacturer of that society.

    Anyhow, so anyone interested in Great Lakes Seasteading, is welcome to join the dialog, and the more practical and physical aspects, feel free to make suggestions.”

    #16413
    Avatar of Ken Sims
    Ken Sims
    Keymaster
    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    Motion to strike, delete and overall question mental integrity of the person named Elspru on the bases of incoherent posting due to the following statement:

    I don’t know what is so bad about that post, especially compared to some of the other things that elspru posts.

    Regardless, these forums are the Wild, Wild West now. Because elspru isn’t a spammer, he’s not my problem.

    My only involvement would if there is a group consensus to formally request that elspru be blocked. However I’ll say informally that such a request would most likely be declined.

    Ken
    Volunteer admin and primary spamfighter

    #16420
    Avatar of wohl1917
    wohl1917
    Participant

    come on Ocean: play nice! Compared to some of the things that Spru has posted, that was quite coherent!

    < http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>

    ocean, that was not serious ? – right ! – have to agree with wohl – for spruski that was coherent – even sounds like a frame for a plan. Probably the Great Lakes are a good test area – if you can make it there you can do it on most of the ocean surface – really bad wether and dangerous waves there … floating out in such a place forces you to get your act right and be coherent…

    #16426
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    shredder7753
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    seemed a little strange for one long-standing forum member to punch out another one for behaving exactly the way we’re used to. Spruski’s ideas are a little off-kilter sometimes but, hey, we all are a little whacko for attempting to play on the most powerful force on earth. billions of people are too cowardly to even make an attempt. they would rather sit around and do things the conventional way. they would rather suffer the hegemony of antique politcal systems rather than TAKE a chance and make something healthy for their freekin families! they think they just need to work harder, not smarter. they think they have to impress ‘the man’. forget about the fact that they are the masters of their own lives, just lick someone elses balls and he’ll feed u! be a pet!

    come to think of it… Spruski’s ideas are sounding more and more coherent all of the time.

    this is a social movement, gentlemen. a social movement that is like a tree. a tree has limbs and it has leaves. and as we pass from one season to the next, the tree might shred some leaves. we know that this tree will always grow. only time will tell who is a limb and who is a leave.

    ____________

    My Work II

    “Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”

    #16435
    Avatar of OCEANOPOLIS
    OCEANOPOLIS
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    It was supposed to read “LOL :) Attn: Ken Sims” that’s why it came out somehow crude. It was supposed to poke fun on the “submersible sailboats ?” in the freezing stormy cold waters during the winter time on the Great Lakes,…
    Translation ==>> NOT A GOOD LOCATION.

    Gosh!,..what a sensitive bunch you guys are… Me and Elspru always exchanged “jabs” here and there, in good fun,…

    #16447
    Avatar of elspru
    elspru
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    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    It was supposed to read “LOL :) Attn: Ken Sims” that’s why it came out somehow crude. It was supposed to poke fun on the “submersible sailboats ?” in the freezing stormy cold waters during the winter time on the Great Lakes,…
    Translation ==>> NOT A GOOD LOCATION.

    that’s a completely different statement.

    Yes submersible/submarine is good for the lakes, as it can go under the ice,

    and potentially can poke out of the ice to let off or take up passengers, just like a conventional submarine.

    The motor should have manual over-ride so can use bicycle to propel it underwater.

    I’m considering using electric fuel-cells and/or stirling-engine for automated propulsion.

    The sails of the concrete phi-boat can be used in the summer, spring, and autumn time,

    however as a residence it’s mostly stationary anyways.

    The styro-tree catamaran could sail ontop of the winter ice,

    with sled-attachments and be used for transportiation.

    However, remember that winter is only 1 season

    of the 4 seasons which are experienced by the lakes.

    It’s a great test-site since it does experience such a wide range of circumstances.

    Gosh!,..what a sensitive bunch you guys are… Me and Elspru always exchanged “jabs” here and there, in good fun,…

    ahem, it’s quite personal, my magic spells for income and housing had side-effects,

    I got my subidized housing and stable income through mental-health courts,

    and people of “unsound mind” aren’t allowed to form businesses.

    well if you’d like a jab, if I remember correctly you’re bankrupt from health bills,

    and so are in a similar position, of not being able to form a business.

    Though as seasteading is about forming nations that’s okay.

    Likely you’d have to go through much the same process of notices,

    if you’d like to have any paperwork to backup your activities in your area.

    I’d recommend you start your own thread for the seasteading community near florida,

    we’re likely to attract a larger group of people, considering we’re spread out.

    As soon as the seasteading community is formed in the great lakes,

    I personally intend on getting it reproducing,

    and going off with a branch to the high seas.

    I went to Occupy Toronto today,

    and a few people said they would help me build on the lakes :-).

    We with You are a Network, our goal to become technologically-enabled reproducible family communities. http://weyounet.info

    #16483
    Avatar of OCEANOPOLIS
    OCEANOPOLIS
    Participant

    On the other hand, and a bit off the subject, I started wondering if we have the right approach, here,…I mean towards seasteading, and overall speaking, with the SOBIZ, or all the other projects, including my own MMK….

    We are talking about the “great lake community”, the “SOBIZ community”, the “TSI community”,….meanwhile, the “occupy community” took off globally in less than 2 month with $500,000.00 in donations (and they didn’t even got warmed up, yet), while we were jerking off here for years. Maybe we have to stop whatever we are doing (in fact just talking about it), sit down, listen, take notice from those guys and come up with something similar, like a global seasteading movment, raise a lots of donated money, and just do it, get the hell out of here.

    Maybe the post http://seasteading.org/interact/forums/community/general-chat/movement-occupy-sparse-island-territory, as crazy as it sounded, might be a better, direct way towards seasteading than any of our ongoing efforts.

    After all, no movement alone will change no “system”. “Systems” don’t change,….they GET CHANGED! And only thru revolution. And if you are nor ready to pull the trigger (which I’m not) you better be ready to defect and try to make it better somewhere else. But there is nowhere to defect anymore, other than the oceans, since the BS went global. Why waste time with anything else?

    #16485
    Avatar of elspru
    elspru
    Participant

    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    On the other hand, and a bit off the subject, I started wondering if we have the right approach, here,…I mean towards seasteading, and overall speaking, with the SOBIZ, or all the other projects, including my own MMK….

    We are talking about the “great lake community”, the “SOBIZ community”, the “TSI community”,….meanwhile, the “occupy community” took off globally in less than 2 month

    Lol…. er well it’s been 3 years since 2008…

    Also anonymous anounced a big agenda earlier in march of this year.

    The Tea Party was also a precursor, as were all the protests in the middle east, and europe.

    with $500,000.00 in donations (and they didn’t even got warmed up, yet), while we were jerking off here for years. Maybe we have to stop whatever we are doing (in fact just talking about it), sit down, listen, take notice from those guys and come up with something similar, like a global seasteading movment, raise a lots of donated money, and just do it, get the hell out of here.

    We can grow ontop of the movement, right now the occupy movement is getting hit quite hard,

    many places faced with eviction notices and dispersion.

    We could offer these occupiers new places to occupy, on or in the water,

    in the water, or underground, the occupiers shall be out of sight and out of mind for the public,

    and so can continue to do planning and occupation while minimizing third-party interference.

    Every now and again can still do protests and such.

    Maybe the post http://seasteading.org/interact/forums/community/general-chat/movement-occupy-sparse-island-territory, as crazy as it sounded, might be a better, direct way towards seasteading than any of our ongoing efforts.

    that’s a long term goal yes, but currently we don’t have the capacity to occupy a remote region,

    however we can occupy nearby areas, such as a beach, to build the boats and tools to make it possible.

    Of course it would be best as a co-ordinated effort,

    where the parts that are visible, are easy to for the public to participate in.

    After all, no movement alone will change no “system”. “Systems” don’t change,….they GET CHANGED! And only thru revolution. And if you are nor ready to pull the trigger (which I’m not) you better be ready to defect and try to make it better somewhere else.

    er yes, old systems die, and new systems are born,

    we’d like to have an eco-system of many systems.

    But there is nowhere to defect anymore, other than the oceans,

    there is also underground settlments, though those are only easily networkable through the water also.

    since surface roads have been monopolized by states, and underground tunnel networks are ancient.

    since the BS went global. Why waste time with anything else?

    er, are you refering to the occupy movement?

    The occupation is currently a very disorganized thing,

    the revolving door of people makes it very difficult to maintain coherence.

    With occupied boats it’s somewhat of a different matter altogether,

    since crews tend to be more stable, while location is more dynamic.

    Hmmm, I have to make a model pontoon catamaran sometime soon,

    then can get some occupiers to live on and extend them.

    That way could maintain escalation…

    However winter is coming, so things are gonna slow down,

    may as well work on the organization part of it, so that we could make a co-ordinated seasteading effort,

    recall that once we occupy a place, we have likely only up to a month to make a mobile seastead,

    so we’d have to pre-prepare whatever we can, do some test-runs,

    then do the real thing when we’re ready.

    We with You are a Network, our goal to become technologically-enabled reproducible family communities. http://weyounet.info

    #16489
    Avatar of OCEANOPOLIS
    OCEANOPOLIS
    Participant

    to the other BS going global, lol. Greed, mostly,and the long list that comes with it. As for the Occupy Movement, it seems that we are withessing the formation of a global “proletarian” like movement, but with 60ish influences, rather than marxist ones, and oriented towards achieving a distributive capitalism, rather than changing the system all together. My impression so far, anyway.

    And when I said “Why waste time with anything else?”,… “other than seasteading” was implied. Why fight or protest any government or state (like you’re really going to win, yeap?), when you can turn around, walk away and use that energy to build your own, at sea?

    #16769
    Avatar of elspru
    elspru
    Participant

    Hey, so found an awesome location, near a leyline, a vortex, and a triangle,

    am with a group of people interested in starting an intentional community, a landshare co-operative.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/75325809/Landshare-Act

    It’s 87 acres, with open lake access, even has a cute little sandbar.

    http://weyounet.tumblr.com/post/13998298862/hey-so-really-the-place-that-seems-to-resonate

    We can probably get campers because it’s next to a nature reserve, some may wish to stay and help with the community, including our floating-community projects.

    We with You are a Network, our goal to become technologically-enabled reproducible family communities. http://weyounet.info

    #17759
    Avatar of elspru
    elspru
    Participant

    Hey ya, so to update, have been having regular meetings with Project Rejuvenation intentional community project.
    We have over 20 member roster/profile submissions, many of whom wish to have stream, lake and/or water source.
    Communicated with Prince Edward County economic development council about establishing a nodal shoreside community.

    Also have made a suggestions to Toronto’s Portlands for a shipyards and creative center so it would be possible to produce them locally. At the moment it’s the first and only “Hot feedback” on their page, so may actually get quite some consideration
    http://www.portlandsconsultation.ca/

    To have a place to create various vessels,

    such as canoes, rafts, dinghy’s, yachts and larger vessels.

    Accessible to Toronto residents.

    As an area for ship-building and other creative portable works, can use the parking lots that are currently being used for cars. People could co-operatively become members, helping with ongoing projects, or rent a space for their own creative portable construction project.

    Additionally the large factory already there could become a community industrial creative center, where people can do creative arts and crafts, such as pottery, smelting and metal-smithing, utilizing the chimney stack. Potentially making parts for boats or other local vessels. Extra heat can be used for heating water and electricity generation, or other eco-friendly purposes.

    #18939
    Avatar of elspru
    elspru
    Participant

    Hey, so I already had time to make the first boat of the year, it’s two 208L barrels tied together, with a mahogany backbone, it’s a 1-2 person flotation device, can displace 400kg.
    It’s also easily extensible if we simply get more barrels.

    The main hurdle right now is having a place to build/store/dock (something larger).

    Interestingly enough the 2-barrel combination is enough for a person, and also can carry it like a backpack, I rode on my bicycle with it home. Though i’d recommend riding on the road, and avoiding any light-poles, since it’s somewhat wider than bike.

    This means it’s highly modular, if we have several people show up on a beach with some scrap wood, can make a large catamaran proportionate to the amount of people who bring barrels, and the bigger it’ll be the faster it’ll be also. :-)

    I’ll have pics of it in action once the ice melts.

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