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Getting ECO FRIENDLY renewable resources to power our seastead

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  • #14309
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    Terraformer
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    Of course batteries have to be charged. That’s no reason not to use them, though – charge them during the day with your surplus of power, and use them during the night.

    No, Dervo, NO solar panels can work on moonlight. Moonlight is 300,000 times weaker than sunlight. To get a single kilowatt of power, using a hypothetical 100% efficient solar cell, you’d need 0.3 square kilometers of solar cells. Look, your ignorance in the basics is grating on me. Please, read up on stuff.

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    #14312
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    I have read up on stuff and I saw that there are solar pannels that use moonlight. Even though moonlight is missing some particles from some light it still hase some of the important ones.

    #14315
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    Dervogel707 wrote:
    Even though moonlight is missing some particles from some light it still hase some of the important ones.

    *facepalm*

    As opposed to the unimportant particles?

    #14316
    Avatar of Terraformer
    Terraformer
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    Okay then, link to the pseudoscience. You could, I suppose, extract energy from moonlight – if you had a very large, very efficient, superconducting solar array…

    Actually read about solar power before discussing it’s use on seasteads, please.

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    #14319
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    I have for you information, reading a comment cant tell you everything a person knows and researched.

    #14321
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    Dervogel707
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    Plus I wasn’t even call planning to use a solar pannel using moonlight, I was trying to prove that you can.

    #14322
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    Dervogel707
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    i_is_j_smith wrote:

    Dervogel707 wrote:

    Even though moonlight is missing some particles from some light it still hase some of the important ones.

    *facepalm*

    As opposed to the unimportant particles?

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    Obviously, and if you couldn’t figure that out then you should be sighing.

    #14323
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    Dervogel707 wrote:

    Plus I wasn’t even call planning to use a solar pannel using moonlight, I was trying to prove that you can.

    excuse me. if u want respect, show us some evidence that supports your claim. otherwise, please stop being a troll.

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    #14324
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    Okay, to settle this. A photovoltaic panel WILL generate electricity from moonlight. It will generate electricity from ANY source of photons. The problem is, as was already said, you need a lot of photons to generate enough electricity to make it worthwhile. If you don’t have a lot of photons then you need a lot of photovoltaic panels.

    Also, there are NO unimportant particles you moron. It’s just photons. Just go to wikipedia and read for 15 seconds and make us all happy.

    I don’t know why I’m even bothering since you’re obviously either a troll or 10. Must be the wine…

    #14325
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    If “Seastead” is derived from “Homestead”, why is everyone so determined that it has to be a city? Go to the history books and you find that a “Homestead” was a FAMILY operation, not a city. A community might grow with enough homesteads, then develope, through additional expansion, into a city…

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    #14329
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    Dervogel707
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    In what way am I trlling, because I was proving something?

    #14330
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    Dervogel707
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    i_is_j_smith wrote:

    Okay, to settle this. A photovoltaic panel WILL generate electricity from moonlight. It will generate electricity from ANY source of photons. The problem is, as was already said, you need a lot of photons to generate enough electricity to make it worthwhile. If you don’t have a lot of photons then you need a lot of photovoltaic panels.

    Also, there are NO unimportant particles you moron. It’s just photons. Just go to wikipedia and read for 15 seconds and make us all happy.

    I don’t know why I’m even bothering since you’re obviously either a troll or 10. Must be the wine…

    Actually I’m neither and I read on other sites besides wikipedia, and before you go and call some one a 10 year old moron troll maybe you should find if you were wrong are not. There is another particle nuetrinos.

    #14331
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    *waves Physics textbook in front of Dervo’s face* Neutrino’s don’t interact with normal matter much. You need something like a lightyear of lead to stop all the neutrino’s from the sun… put simply, you can’t extract useable amounts of energy from neutrino’s. Actually, maybe, read even the Wikipeadia article first, and come back when you’ve understood it?

    I have for you information, reading a comment cant tell you everything a person knows and researched.

    It can’t tell you everything, but it can let you know how ignorant they are in a topic, which lets you know that they haven’t reasearched that topic very well.

    A photovoltaic panel WILL generate electricity from moonlight. It will generate electricity from ANY source of photons.

    I have a slight quibble with this, borne of my Physics AS level… it only generates energy if the energy of the photons is greater than the work function of the metal. So, you can’t use red light with most solar panels.

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    #14333
    Avatar of Dervogel707
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    Terraformer, I was not planning to use nuetrinos I was telling Jsmith there are other particles in sunlight then only photons.

    #14335
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    xns
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    1) Terraformer, you didn’t have to say his “ignorance of the basics was grating on you”. That just set him off.

    2) Dervogel707, Yes, there are neutrinos in everything and yes you can get energy out of moonlight, But neither of those facts will be applicable to the issue of generating power on a practical scale on a seastead in the next few decades. Lets get back to things we can make use of right now hmm? We could always start another thread to discuss particle physics.

    Now Terraformer, you said we would require alot of Kelp to produce biofuel. That is true but I never said we’d be using an organism as inefficient as kelp. There are many species of macro and micro algae that can double their mass every 4 hours if fed with enough CO2 and given enough light. All you’d need is an air pumps. And if you were intending to grow micro algae, you’d need a large centrifuge.

    All this can be(and has been) done for a few thousand dollars and can be operated by almost anyone.

    Having said that, my own project is built around a 100% electric system. Because even though alot of toxic material is produced during solar panel manufacturing, it won’t be in my country, and therefore, I don’t care :p

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