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  • #1599
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    dougie
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    ok being that i cant stand the laws and regs in australia anymore, i want 2 start fundrasing to get a seastead built just outside of australias eez in international waters but dont have any ideas on what to do. help?

    #14834
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    I love it when people start to get serious.

    Here is the facts:
    1. Seasteading is more expensive than landsteading even with the cheapest discstead designs. Develop a business model or have money to “waste” and live as a fisherman after.
    2. We need to test some designs, so start small and try to minimize costs, weight and paychecks necessary (ie. not overly labor intensive).

    This is essentially what we (see sig) are doing now, designing, testing and putting small stuff in the water.

    Once you have a good product or a good sales pitch; fork out the money yourself or write to some investors and see what they say (they may ignore you).

    You could write to Peter Theil and reccommend he invest in us; it would lend credence to any later communication we in turn send to him :D

    I doubt you want to go to Denmark, but you’re welcome to join us (anyone is), not that we have a lot of resources at moment though.

    How much are you willing to do yourself should I ask? How much money do you have? Would you really move there, quitting a job perhaps?

    Also what kind of seastead do you want? A first small seastead far away from the coast would have limited business oppotunities, all you could realistically really do is a tourist resort (0,25-2mil$ needed all in all?) and fishing (not fun).

    Working a floating inn would be cool, question is whether there would be any visitors; plane tickets to Australia are expensive during these tough economic times.

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    We are developing modular seasteading modules for mass production at FloatHaven.com – Don’t wait, join the adventure!

    #14857
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    anyway all jokes aside im thinking like i said in the thread bout how do we all picture the seasteads, im thinking 5 large oil rig type platforms wich theoretically should be more than strong enough to hold at least 250 people each and sizable enough to house them all. as for the finnancial im thinking (incorparating an idea i saw for a ss design on here) moble production plants. which would essentially be retro-fitted ships with large platforms attached behind. unfortunatly i havent been able to price any of the materials required but platforms made from re-enforced concrete and tempered steel are what id be keen 2 use. again ne ideas?

    trust me im not diving in blind to this, ive put much thought into seasteading and adapted most of my ideas from when i wanted to start a micronation on 50acres (and yes its possible) realpra do u know ne1 that could get me a quote on howmuch for the materials for 5 1KMx1KM platforms?

    #14858

    cost of oil rig maintenance is 825.000 USD /day – makes 3300 USD per person/day for your set up – still think living on a oil rig is a good housing idea? – lots of fundraising…

    #14913
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    i_is_j_smith
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    We could have a bake sale…

    Maybe Peter Thiel will buy my Lemon Zingers for 100-200 million?

    #14919
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    dougie
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    cost of oil rig maintenance is 825.000 USD /day – makes 3300 USD per person/day for your set up – still think living on a oil rig is a good housing idea? – lots of fundraising…

    you have a good point, except take out the factor of the oil rig equipment like pumps, drilling rigs ect and work on the maintenance of the platform, its significantly less than 800,000 a day utilizing shipping container housing would also lower maintenance and setup costs. honestly i dont know why you guys are making it sound difficult at all. as far as i can tell there is absolutly nothing stopping the contruction of seasteads now or even 10 years ago except the pesemistic views of the people. bake sale? was thinkin a little bigger lol

    #15176
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    cost of oil rig maintenance is 825.000 USD /day – makes 3300 USD per person/day for your set up – still think living on a oil rig is a good housing idea? – lots of fundraising…

    Ellmer, are you taking just the raw number of existent oil rigs or is this the actual cost for only the platform, already discounted all the oil pumping operations and equipment?

    I don’t understand anything about naval engineering, so I have a hard time understanding why a concrete platform would take so much more money to maintain than a concrete submarine, considering the proportions. For example, if someone buys two of your concrete submarines, adds four columns to them and put a platform some meters on top of them*, why would it be orders of magnitude more expensive to maintain such a thing than just the two submarines?

    * I don’t know if the engineering of such a thing is feasible, but that’s how I envision small size seasteads… submarine houses with some “open air” space above them, that could be sunk in the event of bad wheather.

    #15181

    caveden, a cubic meter living space enclosure built in concrete shell technique is more or less the same if you build it on land or at sea in one of the following project lay outs.:

    The catamaran float / The plate float out / The real estate squaremeter deal / The Captain Nemo float out / The bubble hotel / The current turbine / Breakwater lagoon marina / Oceanic port city design /

    What is a cost universe completly apart where cost factors of 10, 100, and 1000 times higher per cubic meter structure apply is living space built in “naval engineering techniques” means steel plate welding technique.

    What drives that monumental cost factor difference is not that much building of the structure in first place, but maintenance of the structure under marine conditions and most of all its service lifespan.

    The point is: what is a structure cost universe completly OK for a industry producing millions a day – is absolutly not OK for family housing purpose.

    Platforms on stilts built in steel are probably the worst of all. As you correctly mention you have to build 2 submarines plus a column structure, plus a platform structure, plus a building for housing on top of the platform. In other world you build 4 times the structure that would be necessary to create the same living space in a submerged living space bubble in first place.

    The basic idea is to enclose the living space with as little structure (and therefore cost) as possible. If the cost of your living space per cubic meter can not compete with land bases housing cost – seasteading will not happen.

    #15204
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    dougie
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    The basic idea is to enclose the living space with as little structure (and therefore cost) as possible. If the cost of your living space per cubic meter can not compete with land bases housing cost – seasteading will not happen.

    you do have a point………but, you also have to bear in mind the fact that land on land is already there, land in the ocean is not you cant exactly expect that you could have something that must be created for less than the cost of something thats already there. at least not for some years by which point they’d be mass produced and cost fuck all

    #15301
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    As you correctly mention you have to build 2 submarines plus a column structure, plus a platform structure, plus a building for housing on top of the platform.

    No, the living space would be inside the subs. The platform would be there just as a yard where you can make your parties/barbacues, as well as a place to attach inflatable dinghies and other stuff. The whole structure should be submersible, so the columns don’t need to be very high – only high enough to be stable on calm seas. In case of storm, just submerge. Everything on the platform would either be brought down, or be capable of submerging. At least two columns would need to be hollow, to give access to the subs.

    With two subs, it could be shared by two families. Or maybe just one wealthy family.

    Do you understand what I mean? How feasible is it? I suppose it wouldn’t be much more expensive to maintain than the cost of maintaining two separate subs, would it?

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