From Trash to Home
August 26, 2014 at 4:00 pm #23870
ellmer – http://yook3.comParticipant
Spark, to find out what is a good building process, and what a bad one, you need to do pilot projects and actually build a couple of things and then compare the project costs workhours and living space squaremeters cranked out. My first impression of your suggested process based on “polyurethan foam covered with ferrocement” is: “messy little efficient” nobody builds anything in house size with such methods on land – it is probably for a good reason. Nobody builds buildings and cities out of anything other than concrete – probably for good reasons too – nothing else is comparable cost efficient and lifespan efficient. So before jumping into “hairbrained exotic materials” is there any reason why NOT build that stuff out of concrete? – i can’t see anyone – can you?
Concrete has clearly emerged as the most economical and durable material for the building of the vast majority of marine structures. Reinforced concrete too has overcome the technological problems making it a suitable material for the construction of advanced marine structures such as offshore drilling platforms, superspan bridges and undersea tunnels. As the world becomes increasingly ocean-oriented for energy and other resources it is predicted that construction activities during the 21st century will be dominated by concrete sea structures…
Concrete in the Marine Environment (Modern Concrete Technology)
We also should probably leave Buckminster Fuller to his prefab profile domes and look more to actual built marine concrete structures for basic guidance on “how to do it”…
Have been there have done that – built anything from heavy concrete shells for submarine hulls to ultralight honeycomb pieces in concrete technology…
Super light fiber concrete honeycomb Cartagena – pilot for a floating platform of the Cartagena Marine Cluster. Wall thickness 5mm, Draft of the build 3cm. See more about light floating oceanic concrete and honeycomb shells: http://www.pinterest.com/wellmer/oceanic-concrete-shell-building/
Heavy concrete shell Submarine hull living space 20 cubic meter weight 20tons walltickness 18cm.
A pilot for the captain nemo float out project.
Read more about the captain nemo float out project:
http://concretesubmarine.activeboard.com/t43942461/the-captain-nemo-float-out-seasteading/August 26, 2014 at 6:56 pm #23871
Fish farming is labor intensive and low profit margin. You’d be better off (profit wise, I mean) by just fishing.
Personally, I don’t see no practical value of geodesic domes or spheres when it comes to seasteading.August 26, 2014 at 10:55 pm #23872
At this time I disagree with Ellmer and I disagree with Ocean.August 26, 2014 at 11:02 pm #23873
Well, I do not disagree with Ocean as much, just rather no contest. Fish farming does not exclude fishing.
I could write more, but that will build nothing.August 27, 2014 at 7:02 am #23874
Its true the discussion hasnt been very constructive. Theres just not enough emphasis on ‘making the sale’. Like you guys think we have to postulate the perfection of seasteading in our minds. What if Apple didnt start selling the iPhone in 2007? What if they just kep it in labratory testing to reach some ridiculous level of perfection like, they wont release it until its as good as the (actual) 2014 model. Thats bullshit. A product or service is worth what a consumer is willing to pay for it. Make. The. Fucking. Sale. Sell t-shirts that have a seasteading theme. Operate a floating cafe. It doesnt matter. Just do something and call it seasteading already!
Theres my 2 cents.August 27, 2014 at 8:12 am #23875
ellmer – http://yook3.comParticipant
Shred has a point here. For the phase we are in i would be willing to declare “Halfway to Seastead” anything that applies more or less to the following 5 points:
– It is on the water.
– You can make a living with it or on it.
– You can sleep on it and live on it at least for some time.
– It has “transition capacity” to grow into a full blown Seastead in the future.
– It will not sink due to corrosion and rott in a few months but stays afloat at least a century without depending on refresh of bottom paint in a drydock so has “real estate quality” in contrast to “boat quality” or “veggy raft” quality.
So on contrary to what was postulated (there is no seastead at the moment) i see many things converging to become Seasteads in a future. (Yachts, Floating Marinas, Oil/Gas installatios, floating houses, Floating harbor terminals, Monaco style breakwaters, floating aquaculture installations, Cruiseships, etc.etc…) I postulate that Seasteading is among us already in many forms developing along multiple axes…
Read more about the axis of seasteading: http://concretesubmarine.activeboard.com/f544143/the-axes-of-ocean-colonization-surface/
The discussion about what is a seastead and what not is basicly useless, it is like discuting about what is Homo Sapiens – there are thousands of generations of evolution developing slowly towards it (and some will ask if Homo Sapiens is among us today already…) – the day when the first seastead is born does not exist as the day when the first Homo Sapiens was born does not exist. What exists is “a path that leads to something” and many paths that lead to nothing – (see Tanka stagnation). And what exists also is a convergance of reasons why ocean colonization will be the next big thing to come…August 27, 2014 at 10:55 am #23876
You can operate whatever you want.
This thread is OK with me, and Zutai, and Ocean is OK with me.
If you do not like this thread, go start one for yourself.
The cyberspace is even bigger than the ocean.August 27, 2014 at 11:12 am #23877
A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. Selling t-shirts in L.A. would be closer to seasteading than we are right now. None of us is making a dime in Seasteading. Patri built this website, this movement, this organization to facilitate the entrepreneurs who would put this conceptual idea into play in the physical world. Now we just have to do it. Doesnt need to be grand. I am offering 3D modeling services under the name “3D Fantaseas of L.A.” I did $500 worth of business so far. My customer probably never heard of”seasteading”, but he contributed to it just by doing business with me.August 27, 2014 at 11:21 am #23878
I object to the words: we and us.
(Who do you mean “we”, white man? Do you have a turtle in your pocket?)August 27, 2014 at 11:36 am #23879
I dont have a clue what Sparky is on about.August 27, 2014 at 12:27 pm #23880
I’m sure that Shreddy meant WE as in WE the ones interested in seasteading, Spark.
Elmer has an excellent point here with “Halfway to seasteading” 5 minimum requirements.
I would go further and say that even with only the first 2 requirements, “It is on the water” and “You can make a living with it or on it”, as long as such venture is aimed to achieve the last 3, “You can live on it at least for some time”, “It has “transition capacity” to grow into a full blown Seastead in the future” and “It’s built of a cement based composite”, that will be a decent start.
It doesn’t even have to be a “for profit” venture,…NFL is a non-profit 501(c)(6) organization and it made $9.5 billion in 2013.August 27, 2014 at 12:42 pm #23881
I think the best bet for getting the sea race started, would be to put most of our chips together on one project, and use that to make our project, for our individual projects. With such, we as sea-steaders, would be able to grow the system of sea-steading in ways we though not possible for years to come. I plan to find the project that is the closes to starting, and help them out, with the goal of making enough to start my own. The more people we get going on one project, the faster it will grow, and the faster each of us will make the profits we need.
Lets get this shit started.August 27, 2014 at 4:53 pm #23882
Any small scale seasteading project will be local. Different places, different start up capital requirement.
Here is Florida, where I live, the CHEAPEST start up would be on a houseboat. There is no other way around that,…
The LEAST amount of capital required for such project will be $20,000.00 and will operate something similar to this ($15,000.00 asking price): http://youtu.be/6dgw_DHAsd8August 27, 2014 at 11:05 pm #23883
If you are looking at a boat setup, then I can find boats for 400 if I’m lazy about it. I am sure that a setup beyond that (as far as making money, and being able to live off of it) can be done for 1000 or less, if you know what you are doing.August 28, 2014 at 12:39 am #23884
Yeah right! The only thing you gonna get for $1000 it’s a junk that needs a total refit. C’mon man,…get real.
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