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November 29, 2008 at 8:58 pm #765
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jhogan

Hello all,

Thanks to all of you who provided feedback about our forums. I’m sorry that I didn’t have time to reply to all comments individually, but they were all read and considered. We did some analysis over the past week on our different options for upgrading. We think there are upgrades we can do to the Drupal forums that would massively improve their quality to a satisfactory level — Drupal forums have evolved a lot since the version of the code we’re running now. Staying on the Drupal forums also allows us to maintain strong functional and aesthetic integration with the rest of the website, and won’t require us to migrate or lose our data as switching to new software would.

We’re going to try implementing Drupal upgrades over the next few weeks and check in with you to see how things are going. If the Drupal upgrades aren’t meeting our needs after a month or so, we’ll re-evaluate whether we should migrate to other software such as phpBB or vBulletin.

If anybody is interested, gory details on our analysis are available here. Feedback is, of course, welcome.

Our initial to-do list for upgrading the Drupal forms is copied into a followup post below. I’ve tried to populate it which everything mentioned in previous threads, but I may have missed some things. If there is anything you’d like to see added, please reply here.

James Hogan
TSI Volunteer Coordinator

November 29, 2008 at 8:59 pm #4374
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jhogan

Priority scale: 1=must have, 2=should have, 3=nice to have

[jhogan: There were a number of comments in the forum referring to a plaintext vs. rich WYSISYGish editor, so I added them all to the list. But for the life of me, I only see the plaintext editor. What am I missing?]

General:
* (1) Bug: RSS feeds don’t point to the correct page with multi-page threads
* (1) Bug: Once it gets to a second page on a given thread, you cannot find the new posts at all. It flashes the new post, then slides to the first page and eliminates the “new” tag beside whatever post was the latest. Given that each reply may be to a specific post and not to the thread at large, this means you have no way to determine where the new input is, and unless you’re intimately aware of the entire previous content, you can’t even figure out if there is a new post or if the DB has just not updated your cookies to show you the new post.
* (1) Good, useful functionality for browsing new posts
* (1) Search functionality
* (2) Private messaging capability
* (2) Breadcrumbs in the UI (e.g. “You are here: Forum -> Community -> ThreadName”)
* (3) User rating of topics and posts
* (3) More flexible UI for browsing — e.g. be able to filter/sort by different criteria besides thread name

E-mail subscription functionality:
* (1) *EASY* and prominent e-mail subscription to forums and individual threads
* (2) Ability to easily e-mail subscribe to groups of forums (or all forums!)
* (3) Ability to get e-mail subscriptions delivered in a daily digest

Improved message editing:
* (1) Bug: Can’t insert arbitrary line breaks in forum posts, even by manually inserting HTML — it will strip everything after one paragraph break
* (1) Bug: Formatting is lost when switching between plaintext and rich text editor
* (1) Allow image embedding
* (2) Quoting functionality
* (2) Better UI for adding links to posts
* (3) WYSIWYG editor

Unreproducable bug reports — please provide more details so we can fix them!
* (1) Pressing ENTER to create a new line in a post the page jumps to focus the cursor at the bottom of the screen. (What browser and OS? Can this be reproduced in different browsers?)

November 30, 2008 at 10:41 am #4376
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Eelco

I agree with your priority list, sounds good to me.

November 30, 2008 at 10:54 am #4377
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Christian-Siegert

ENTER bug reproducable with:

  • Firefox 3.0.4 in Ubuntu 8.10
  • Firefox 3.0.4 in Windows XP SP3
  • Opera 9.62 in Ubuntu 8.10
  • Opera 9.62 in Windows XP SP3


ENTER
bug not reproducable with:

  • Internet Explorer 7.0 in Windows XP SP3

Edit: In your Google spreadsheet you write “Visual look and feel” for phpBB is “So-so (wouldn’t be integrated with TSI)”. This is not true, you can visually customize phpBB to make it look like the rest of the website.

November 30, 2008 at 5:17 pm #4378
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bhuga

I’ve updated the FCKEditor version we use and I can’t reproduce this anymore. Is it working for you?

December 2, 2008 at 2:22 am #4380
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jhogan

That’s a good point, Christian, re: phpBB’s customizability. It would take more work, but we should be able to create a similar aesthetic if we need to go that way.

Thanks for the research on the “ENTER” bug! I think Ben, our volunteer sysadmin/developer, has gotten a fix in — let us know if you are still seeing it.

December 2, 2008 at 2:22 am #4381
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jhogan

Excellent! Thanks for the feedback.

December 23, 2008 at 2:23 am #4541
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jhogan

Hey all,

I just wanted to provide you with a status update on our work to improve the forums. So far we’ve* implemented:

  • Bugfix: Pressing ENTER to create a new line in a post the page jumps to focus the cursor at the bottom of the screen. (What browser and OS? Can this be reproduced in different browsers?)
  • Search functionality for many forum pages
  • E-mail subscription enabled for forum posts
  • Private message capabilities (available from a user’s profile page)
  • New page showing list of recent forum comments (linked from the “Active Forum Topics” box on the front page)

There are more improvements coming. Some of them are listed in the original post in this thread. Some are improvements to the items listed here — for example, we’d like to get the e-mail subscription links positioned next to the RSS subscription links for ease of use.

We appreciate your patience. We’ve also done a push to recruit more website volunteers (which is of course tough during the holidays) — if you know of anyone who might be able to help, please send them to volunteer@seasteading.org.

Feedback is appreciated. Thanks!

James

* And by “we” I really mean Ben Lavender / bhuga, who in addition to handling day-to-day sysadmin duties has probably spent dozens of hours doing the work outlined above, and research/prep work for much more. Thank you Ben!!

December 23, 2008 at 4:48 pm #4545
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Carl-Pålsson

Newline bug seems fixed in Firefox, Opera and Google Chrome. Latest versions as of today on Windows XP SP2.

The forum should allow anonymous comments. Login is a barrier to entry detrimental to the level of participation. Lots of good input is probably wasted this way.

I can try looking at some solutions to this if this is sanctioned from above (captcha or whatever). I don´t have extensive knowhow though but I can try my best.

The website needs to be faster. It´s not excruciatingly slow, but almost.

December 27, 2008 at 11:48 pm #4589
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jhogan

Thanks for the confirmation on the newline bug. That’s good to know.

We’ve been getting a lot of spam user accounts created on the website despite the current captcha, so I think we need a better way of preventing that before allowing anonymous comments.

Is anyone else seeing issues with website speed? I haven’t heard complaints on this in a while, and it seems OK to me, so I’m wondering if it’s something with the overseas connection between you and us.

December 30, 2008 at 6:13 pm #4606
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Thorizan

I’m really digging on the “Active Forum Topics” feature. It really saves time compared to scanning through all the forums and topics for dates newer than the last time I checked. A great add. Thank you.

December 31, 2008 at 1:48 am #4607
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jhogan

Thanks for the feedback, Thorizan! We’ll eventually get functionality to scan only unread posts (as opposed to all recent posts) but I’m glad this is a useful step! Ben / bhuga implemented it for us.

January 8, 2009 at 8:34 pm #4658
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jhogan

Hey all,

Just wanted to let you know we’ve contracted to Hell Design (who built our website) do implement the P1/P2 forum upgrades listed above. Our volunteer team (aka Ben :-) made some helpful progress. But after going down that road for a few weeks, we felt the forum upgrades were important enough to building our community that we needed to get them done as quickly as possible.

The plan is still to upgrade the Drupal forums, as opposed to switching to phpBB/vBulletin, but I think we’ll be pleased with the results as long as they meet the requirements above.

Part of the upgade will involve upgrading the entire site from Drupal 5 to Drupal 6. I imagine we’ll notice some other side benefits from that as well (and probably a few bumps as we migrate).

We expect these changes to go up in the next 2-3 weeks. Thanks for all of your feedback and patience!

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