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  • #1546
    Avatar of realpra
    realpra
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    We have a new blog up with our improved design (floathaven.com/forum/viewtopic.php) what do you think of the early version?

    #14088
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    shredder7753
    Participant

    how do u plan ur station keeping? is it moored? dynamic positioning?

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    #14091
    Avatar of realpra
    realpra
    Participant

    shredder7753 wrote:

    how do u plan ur station keeping? is it moored? dynamic positioning?

    Any first versions would probably be moored to the sea floor. We have also thought up a system for connecting them individually.

    Basically a big rope or chain will be boltet to or tied around the entire frame on two modules. This rope will then be fitted with a bunch of old tires in several layers that resist compression before the modules get near each other.
    This rope will pass up and out of the “piers” on each module since it can’t pass through the dike wall without ruining it.

    The strength of the rope and bolting will such that for normal operation it does not break, but if the neighbooring module sinks it does. This is in order to prevent them from drawing each other down.

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    #14092
    Avatar of shredder7753
    shredder7753
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    is it a float haven or a float prison. seems like it could use some trees and a swimming pool.

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    #14093
    Avatar of realpra
    realpra
    Participant

    shredder7753 wrote:

    is it a float haven or a float prison. seems like it could use some trees and a swimming pool.

    Well I’m a bit rusty with 3DS max and I was never that good to begin with. Do you think a design contest with a prize of 200 $ and 100 $ for 1st 2nd place respectively would yield some better results?

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    #14095
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    shredder7753
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    well, i think it would get some ‘flashy’ results. it wouldnt get the kind of stuff that comes from people who really love this shit and do it for their own pride anyway.

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    #14097

    If you are interested in plate seasteads you might want to look at the material collected at: this place

    You also might want to explore the ramform as it has clear advantages over a simple plate featuring still a bow for dealing with waves and conserving a potential of mobility leaving behind most of the motion issues of a classic ship form.

    What concerns required size for such a concept you should have a look at the equatorian coastguard platform and its wave motion … below 40m beam is not recommended for comfort in open ocean. Connecting several of the platforms to a semirigid grid could work – but certainly not a small budget start up…

    Wilfried Ellmer

    concretesubmarine.com

    #14099
    Avatar of realpra
    realpra
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    @Shredder We could emphasize realism and certain elements that had to be shown, even punish too outlandish designs. That said even if flashy I think you need to show people the vision.
    I think a good image with some kind of believable business going on might prove useful in convincing investors and others.
    Prize should probably be at least 300$-1st/200$-2nd/100$-3rd though.

    (Edit: give your opinion on this here: floathaven.com/forum/viewtopic.php)

    @Ellmer Not much about plate steads, but great links anyway. Thanks!

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    #14100
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    shredder7753
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    whoa! who’s gonna pay for this design contest? i have a ton of different 3d models. if u want me to visualize any/all those ideas 4 u just let me know. i can work on the cheap, and still male some great stuff. see some of it here, and click the link that says “My Work” below.

    Ken – i dont mean to be a “spammer”. lulz.

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    #14101
    Avatar of Ken Sims
    Ken Sims
    Keymaster
    shredder7753 wrote:

    Ken – i dont mean to be a “spammer”. lulz.

    Legitimate forum users get a LOT of leeway, even for things that don’t relate very much to seasteading. Despite the recent assertions by a certain party, moderation here is not heavy-handed, by me or anyone else

    Except … people (and I use that term loosely) who register just to spam get no mercy at all.

    Ken

    #14102
    Avatar of Mad-Dog-Tannen
    Mad-Dog-Tannen
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    I think this may be the perfect time to mention that I have recently, due to an ordering error, received a massive supply of wacky waving inflatable flailing arm tube men, and Im passing the savings on to YOOUUU!

    *cough* sorry.

    Have to say that I love your ice cream float. It may be a topic you have covered here or elsewhere, but would you mind if I inquired about your start-up costs for the project thus far? (or link me to where you have discussed it – I dont have much time lately to search around)

    thx

    #14110
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    realpra
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    emmettvm wrote:

    Have to say that I love your ice cream float. It may be a topic you have covered here or elsewhere, but would you mind if I inquired about your start-up costs for the project thus far? (or link me to where you have discussed it – I dont have much time lately to search around)

    Let me see about 600 dKK for wood, 12*1,7*4=82 dKK for tarpaulins, 60*2 for screws, 200*2 for wood plates and about 200 for an anchor comes out to 1401,6 dKK in material costs or 700dkk pr cell (134$ or 270$ total) you have to add danish workforce costs to that in theory though plus the tarpaulin thing didn’t work at all. Then theres costs not really considered like gas usage etc.. Probably ends up at 385 $ (2000dkk) after everything.

    The site was set up mostly by me in a couple of days, server and domain name costing about 86 $.

    shredder7753 wrote:
    whoa! who’s gonna pay for this design contest?

    600$ isn’t that much in Denmark, Mcoroklo thinks it should be 3000$ at least or he himself wouldn’t consider entering at all.

    I can spare 600$ myself, if its much more than that we may aswell use the money to order HDPE plates or something.

    However considering the pay of a 3d artist I’m not sure it would do anything even in India since talented people even in such places end up earning more than that (we have hired people over elance before).
    It would rely on volunteer/student work entirely with the prizes being symbolic as I see it.

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    #14756
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    realpra
    Participant

    Some of you have probably been following our weekly updates (mostly on Wednesdays), but for those that haven’t I ask:

    Do you want to EARN money writing about what you love?

    If so read up on our blog writing contest where you can win 25$ if we put up your blog.

    As for other updates you can read all the updates and blogs we have posted, in early September we will be testing with our recently purchased HDPE plates, cross your fingers for the succes of TANGIBLE seasteading!
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    #14761
    Avatar of Winkerson
    Winkerson
    Participant

    I was just going to say, most obvious improvement to make that I see is your housing. Why in the world if you’re doing the disc thing wouldn’t you put your housing under the surface? It’d be a crying shame to have all that potential farming space (what you’re showing there is probably enough to support several people on potatoes alone, or provide enough greens for a large group from each plate assuming you’re eating a lot of fish and you just need the greens and fruit to keep off scurvy and other nutrient deficiencies). It would seem to me that it’d be much better to have the domiciles in a basement layer below the green space for pure utility, maybe one thin tower rising in the center for a view or – even better – designing towers to fit in the spaces between the discs, needle towers with a heavy counterweight on the top and floatation in a circle near the surface to get a good stable straight standing platform. This same sort of system might be much better for turbines too (simple floats with a low hanging counterweight, basically a lot like a buoy made of concrete with the turbine blade poking out of the top) rather than taking up possibly arable/useable land on it.

    Also how high are those walls? Doesn’t look like it’d survive anywhere cept maybe calmer areas aound the equator, unless perhaps it was domed over to keep the seawater out with something light weight and it has a good bit of weight and volume beneath the water to keep it from ever breaking out of the waves (and possibly cracking in half).

    Otherwise though nice. I’ve always liked the idea of plate steads even if they do seem impractical in any sort of weather (and a seastead that you’ve gotta move, or that you have no choice but to put in tame waters inside someone’s eez… doesn’t appeal so much to me)(freaking hate those 200 mile eezs, I mean wtf? Imagine if you could still set up a sovereign state just like twelve miles off shore in some useful shallow spot?

    #15165
    Avatar of realpra
    realpra
    Participant

    Guys we have a new blog up on some very positive results in early testing with HDPE.

    But that is not that important, what is important is that we made contact with a danish seasteader community; they have a giant building and a bunch of stuff. Problem is that to keep it they must pay 3000$ per month. (Next weeks blog will have more details)

    They have lots of space and tools and the place is RIGHT in the middle of rich rich Copenhagen.

    HOWEVER there is no local plan by the government and as such things like renting out apartment containers and a bunch of other stuff is impossible, additionally the government would like to sell the lot which could happen without notice within some years time.
    Maybe it won’t be sold due to the financial crisis, but we might have to leave the place with only a few months of warning – in this case the lot price would increase way beyond our budget due to a local plan making “things” possible.
    The building is 1000m^2 and is 200m away from a pretty large and popular mall.

    We MUST have some ideas as what to do here, any you got would be appreciated.

    So far we have had the following ideas (just came home after meeting them):

    1. They are already earning 100$/m by storing some bicycles, so: storing things for money.
    2. Renting container homes, putting them there and renting them out as appartments. (not legal we think)
    3. Renting out the tool shop and space for hobby folks and start up entreupaneurs.
    4. Becoming a meeting place and infrastructure hub for start up entreaupeneurs who pay 100$/m to be members of “the club”, access to tools and space.
    5. Parties earning money selling drinks and tickets.
    6. Garage/car/motorbike shop – kinda goes with idea 3.
    7. Buying the building and paying only the interests on the loan instead of the more expensive rent (closer to 1000-2000$/m than 3000$/m).
    8. Youth club for teenagers who want to hang out or mess with things and be creative together – goes a bit with idea 4 – they would pay about 20$/m to be there. This would require time and getting the parents interested though.
    9. ???

    FloatHaven will move on regardless of what happens, but helping these guys out and working with them would be joining two pretty strong seasteading communities both based very much in reality.

    It would also give us a place to construct any design we come up with comfortably and with all the necesities and utilities we could dream of.

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