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  • #21732
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    Is there a 200 miles United States Exclusive Economic Zone around the Midway Islands?

    #21737
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    spark
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    I found out: Yes, there is a 200 miles US EEZ around the Midway Islands.

    #21762
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    And all those Hawaii chain islands are in a no-go zone, with no fishing or anchoring permits issued, as of 2000 presidential edict. However, if you were looking for a shallow spot in the Midway Island area of the Pacific to drop anchor, there are several seamounts within 200 miles outside the usa eez out there which are 60 to 500 ft deep. Off the seamounts the depth goes to over a mile. Many of the mounts are un-named, but there is the Milwaukee seamounts out west of Midway, outside usa EEZ. There’s one seamount just outside the usa eez west of Midway, ~300ft deep and one NW of Midway at 300ft. Maybe you cannot build on them, but praps you can drop anchor, the Japan and Taiwan have already dragged all the coral off them.

    #21763
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    Good work finding sea mounts.  I use the International Seabed Authority interactive map

    http://www.mapserver.isa.org.jm/GIS/

     

    Original difficulty is; constructing and launching the first platform.  The Midway Island could be

    a place to do that, and the plastic garbage could be a good resource.  Plastic garbage could be

    recycled into platforms. Platforms could be launched and towed to positions you have mentioned.

    Positions would be outside US EEZ.  Platforms could be anchored at those sea mounts.

     

    People could live on the platforms and collect more plastic and make more platforms.

    There is enough plastic garbage in the Great Pacific Garbage Patch.  Estimates I have seen,

    are between 3.6 and 100 million tons.

    #21764
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    In my opinion, it might worth to consider anchoring a platform in deep sea.

    There are 3000 meter long cables and ropes.  Plastic ropes could be that

    long. How much would it cost? How bulky it is? What kind of anchor to use?

    What kind of living things could be harmed by it? Who knows?

     

    #21765
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    I don’t believe you have a mental grip on how much garbage there is out there, or what form it is in. There isn’t enough visable plastic floating at the surface to build a net big enough to trap the visable plastics semi-floating in the top 50ft of water. There’s far more plastics you cannot see, estimates based on tests are if you can trap most of it, then you are also removing all the plankton from the ocean. The amount of plastic per volume of water is so low, you will burn more fuel to recover it than if you used the fuel to make plastic. Plus, the big problem of plastic is the UV disintegrates it, whatever you make from the plastic will rapidly deteriorate in sunlight.

    The trawler that was periodically used to remove washed up large plastics from the islands was taken out and sunk a few years ago. Another USCG ship was “retired” last year in Hawaii, and i lost track of what happened to it, it will most likely also be sunk in deep water. I think you have a better chance of grabbing the MV Lyubov Orlova, before it is sunk or cut up, and keeping it, than making any platform out of floating plastics in any ocean gyre.

    #21766
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    The MV Lyubov Orlova is far away from tropical waters.  But , may be you can go grab it.

    Let me know how that is working for you.

    There are probably still signs and manuals on board. I do speak, read and write Russian also.

    #21767
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    The plastic garbage is washed to shore on the Midway Islands.

    The plastic platform can be coated with ferro cement to avoid UV degredation.

    Or it can be coated using the biorock/seecreat thingy.

     

    So there was a trawler and there is some garbage removal.   -)) hehe

    #21768
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    You cannot set foot on or drop anchor near any uninhabited island from Kure Atoll to the main islands. It’s all marine protected reserve. So you let me know how that works out for you.

    #21772
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    Diplomacy with WFS.

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