Topic: Drug law limitations.

Drug law limitations.

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July 3, 2009 at 2:38 pm #985
Aakno	I’m wondering what drugs will be legal on the Seastead. Will it only be “soft drugs” or will it include “hard drugs” like cocaine? Will it be legal to grow marijuana? Coca leaf? Heroine poppies?
July 3, 2009 at 4:39 pm #6792
thief	The point of seasteading is that there won’t be a single legal system overbearing all the communities. It’s up to individual communities to set their own laws. - Nick
July 3, 2009 at 4:40 pm #6793
cthulhujunior	I imagine that will vary from ‘stead to ‘stead. Probably in the beginning we’ll want to send out a good image, so everything will be squeaky clean. Then, once these things are a bit more independent and there are enough that the majority can claim to have nothing to do with an unsavory minority, one or two will pop up with all the sex, drugs, and rock & roll you want. I, personally, don’t care what you snort. So, on mine, you can go ahead and do aresenic if you like. However, if Johnny Bible-Thumper doesn’t want anything like that on his, he can ban whatever he wants. The whole “experimenting with new forms of government” plan works both ways. Quite a few communists and socialists complain that their system has never been “fully” implemented. Now they have the opportunity to do so themselves. I’ll just move my boat to a different ocean, that’s all.
July 3, 2009 at 4:40 pm #6794
Michael-Hawkins	In my opinion, nothing should be banned in advance. I absolutely believe that soft drugs such as cannabis, psychedelic mushrooms/cacti and the like should be allowed. I would not ban hard drugs either. Cocaine production doesn’t seem entirely feasible, and poppies make great painkillers if necessairy. In addition, poppie seed can be extracted to yield great nutritious oil suited for lamps. Most drug problems on dry land are the direct result of prohibition and the absense of a social support structure. Both those can be negated on a seastead.
July 3, 2009 at 5:24 pm #6797
kbxx	I hope that early seasteaders can manage to keep all drugs completely legal and above-board. But it is possible that pressure from land based governments (mainly USA) will make that impossible for hard drugs, at least in the beginning. Marijuana is a hugely lucrative market by itself, and it would be very likely to remain legal on seasteads, because pot is already decriminalized in several US states. That makes it harder for the US government to justify attacking seasteads that grow/sell pot.
July 5, 2009 at 8:21 pm #6833
GoldfishAuthor	The thing that makes it very interesting (especially to some of my friends who are working on degrees in Chemistry) is the idea that at some point people will be manufacturing things that are otherwise impossible or illegal and using them for the greater good. Things like LSD and LSA have been known to have great effects on opening one’s perspective and aiding in lateral thinking, not to mention helping in the treatment of schizophrenia. Due to the state of American law it’s impossible to get your hands on many of these substances, which on a ‘stead may be perfectly legal. Utilizing this miracle drugs for everything ranging from schizophrenia to depression can be made. I don’t know, bit of a pipe dream (hyuk hyuk, get it?) but the ability to have these substances legalized or decriminalized opens up many doors for the betterment of mankind. Though we have heard of stupid haste in war, cleverness has never been seen associated with long delays. -Sun Tzu, the Art of War
December 17, 2009 at 11:32 pm #8922
greyraven_r	The fact is that until true sovereignty is achieved, any seastead will be bound by the drug laws, and more critically enforcement policies, of it’s “Flag of convienience” host nation, so pick one that favors your ideals. The counter point to drug laws is that prohibition is the surest way to guarentee organized crime and untaxable trade.
January 10, 2010 at 11:35 pm #9162
J.L.-Frusha	If we start with the pre-supposed idea that “All drugs” are legal, what’s to stop the Cartels form killing us and taking over? Next on the menu… Children. MANY drugs are shown to be harmful to fetus developement and for chidren. Do you want your kids crippled or deformed because your GF/wife was a junkie? Add this: Try getting your stoned teenager to do school work or help around the ‘stead. If everyone is stoned on their drug-of-choice, who’s going to catch fish, raise vegetables, etc. Don’t get me wrong… I wouldn’t mind recreational use, but many of the illegal drugs are illegal BECAUSE they are harmful. IF you can get an Rx from a certified Doctor, for a regulated amount of drug”X,” within the laws established, fine, just be aware of the risk, prevent it from destroying the children. THEY are the future of the Seastead. Without that basic principal, there is no future for the Seastead, hence, it’s not worth the effort to start-off in the first place. The BEST laws are designed to protect the children and the weak, from those that are stronger. Anything else is pretty much icing or excrement. Now,… Who decides? Who enforces the laws? How do you enforce them? Later, J.L..F. If you can’t swim with the big fish, stick to the reef
April 3, 2010 at 10:16 pm #9968
Jeremy8	If you don’t want drugs and drug users on your property, keep them off of your property. I don’t see why this should be so complicated.
April 25, 2010 at 7:45 pm #10046
Alexandre	J.L. wrote: If we start with the pre-supposed idea that “All drugs” are legal, what’s to stop the Cartels form killing us and taking over? Next on the menu… Children. MANY drugs are shown to be harmful to fetus developement and for chidren. Do you want your kids crippled or deformed because your GF/wife was a junkie? Add this: Try getting your stoned teenager to do school work or help around the ‘stead. If everyone is stoned on their drug-of-choice, who’s going to catch fish, raise vegetables, etc. Don’t get me wrong… I wouldn’t mind recreational use, but many of the illegal drugs are illegal BECAUSE they are harmful. IF you can get an Rx from a certified Doctor, for a regulated amount of drug”X,” within the laws established, fine, just be aware of the risk, prevent it from destroying the children. THEY are the future of the Seastead. Without that basic principal, there is no future for the Seastead, hence, it’s not worth the effort to start-off in the first place. The BEST laws are designed to protect the children and the weak, from those that are stronger. Anything else is pretty much icing or excrement. Now,… Who decides? Who enforces the laws? How do you enforce them? Later, J.L..F. If you can’t swim with the big fish, stick to the reef Well, you say that if drugs were legal, all the people would be stoned and doesn’t work. What about Nederlands? It’s legal and the country seems to work pretty well and the cartel or anybody isn’t bothering them. What about alcohol? it’s a drug, and an harder drug than, for example, Cannabis, is legal and people just don’t get drunk all the time. In the reality, if a person wants to drug himself, he will do that, whether legal or not. Alexandre Simões
April 26, 2010 at 1:40 am #10047
xns	Lol, J.L, it’d take a spectacular kind of idiot to marry a junkie AND let their teenage child become an addict. Though I suppose that’s my goal, let stupidity go extinct. :p King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos.
April 26, 2010 at 9:04 pm #10055
J.L.-Frusha	xnsdvd wrote: Lol, J.L, it’d take a spectacular kind of idiot to marry a junkie AND let their teenage child become an addict. Though I suppose that’s my goal, let stupidity go extinct. :p King Shannon of the Constitutional Monarchy of Logos. All it takes is parents that don’t care anymore, making babies… Crack babies are the perfect example. How big a bite in resources does that kid get? What about his/her kids, down the line? There are plenty of idiots, doing stupid things, still making babies… Later, J.L.F. If you can’t swim with the big fish, stick to the reef