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  • #1287
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    elspru
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    0. let entity be nothing or do nothing
    1. let entity be aware or do sense
    2. let entity be desirer or do satisfy
    3. let entity be free or do choose

    4. let entity be stable or do commitments
    5. let entity be wise or do express
    6. let entity be sage or do intuit
    7. let entity be traveler or do move

    8. let entity be local or do homestead
    9. let entity be planetary or do environmentalism
    10. let entity be solar system or do space flight
    11. let entity be galactic or do commune with stars
    12. let entity be universal or do intersect
    13. let entity be multiversal or do union
    14. let entity be metaversal or do mix
    15. let entity be eternal or do infinite

    here is an extended explanation of the statutes:

    0. let entity be nothing or do nothing

    also known as “the freedom to be”.

    this allows for monks,
    buddha meditating under a tree.

    overtly doing nothing.

    1. let entity be aware or do sense

    this be the “freedom to record your experience”.

    note this is also “freedom of the press”.

    make it legal to take pictures
    or recordings of anything or anyone.

    this legalizes rocks and other first density entities,
    whose main avenue of learning is awareness.

    2. let entity be desirer or do satisfy

    this legalizes people having desires,
    such as for sustenance, home and reproduction.

    note this would legalize people having addictions.
    such as those addicted to food and water,
    what science calls biological life.

    this statute also legalizes fungal plant and animal life,
    as it is all second density it’s main avenue of learning is desire and it’s satisfaction.

    so by the precedent of plants and animals,
    humans can act like plants and animals.
    foraging for food, defending territory and procreating.

    3. let entity be free or do choose

    this is freedom in its simplest sense.

    having options,
    and choosing which you like.

    4. let entity be stable or do commitments

    this allows for contracts,
    as well as long term relationships.

    5. let entity be wise or do express

    this in contemporary consitutions is called “Freedom of speech”

    6. let entity be sage or do intuit

    this allows for psychics, witches, pagans, priests, spiritual.
    allowing ecumenical or eclectic beliefs.

    can be approximated to “freedom of religion”.

    7. let entity be traveler or do move

    this allows people to “run away”,
    if they should so choose.
    also allows for arrival.

    legalizing tourism and nomads.

    8. let entity be local or do homestead

    this allows someone to be “in charge”
    of their local environment,
    such as a homestead.

    one can clean their room,
    thus changing the local environment.

    can also be “freedom to live self sufficiently”

    9. let entity be planetary or do environmentalism

    this allows people to connect through their 9th chakra,
    to the mother spirit of earth Gaya,
    communing with the environment,
    and doing what is recommended,
    for planetary equilibrium.

    this can also legalize shortwave radio broadcasts,
    so entity can be electromagnetically broadcast planet wide.

    10. let entity be solar system’s or do space flight

    this legalizes personal space flight.

    so if some people make a flying saucer in their garage,
    then they are allowed to keep it and use it.

    also allows for solar system wide broadcast.

    11. let entity be galactic or do commune with stars

    this legalizes UFO Contactee’s.

    also is the route for allowing galactic tourism.

    12. let entity be universal or do intersect

    this allows as entity to intersect, or interact,

    experiencing reality, or what’s in common.

    also “freedom to meet” or “freedom of assembly”

    also “freedom to be real” where real is agreed-upon or common (within intersection).

    could also be “freedom of education”,

    where education is learning about various common beliefs.

    13. let entity be multiversal or do union

    this allows people to “look at the whole picture”.
    viewing seemingly contradictory things
    and accepting them as possibilities in union.

    with statute 7 movement is “freedom of trade”,

    or by itself “freedom of peace”,

    like “live and let live”.

    14. let entity be metaversal or do mix

    this allows for hybridization,
    as well as creation in the most literal sense.

    also “freedom to create”.
    and “freedom to do art”,
    and “freedom to copy”.

    also “freedom to have sex”

    where a child is a product of such mixing.

    so it also legalizes being child or hybrid.

    15. let entity be eternal or do infinite

    this allows someone to live forever,
    or have infinite powers.

    like the juda-chris-lam god.

    or a we you net member.

    #10608
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    wohl1917
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    New Age vagueness, deliberately obtuse, the all encompassing I AM he, as you are he, as you are me, and we are all together throw-back drivel to a previous era before you were born no doubt, is cute. If all you intend to do is get high on ‘BC bud’ as Ocean suggested, well, you’re good to go!

    < http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>

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    wohl1917 wrote:

    New Age vagueness, deliberately obtuse, the all encompassing I AM he, as you are he, as you are me, and we are all together throw-back drivel to a previous era before you were born no doubt, is cute.

    well that is a realization that is fundamental for respect to each other.

    If all you intend to do is get high on ‘BC bud’ as Ocean suggested, well, you’re good to go!

    well there was someone that mentioned that in an earlier thread.

    That would certainly be a freedom that we could enjoy

    Statute number 2 quite clearly allows the satisfaction of desire.

    A court would decide where to send a person with more of their likeness,

    where there is a good chance they would learn new things.

    And so various districts would have different belief sets or law sets.

    So murderers could be sent to polity where murder is legal like a war zone.

    To each their own place, to learn what they themselves are like.

    Benefiting all society at the same time.

    Someone that wishes to commit a crime,

    can simply go to a polity where it is legal,

    and so remain legally compliant in all districts.

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    #10703
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    elspru
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    Jack wrote:

    ok wierd…

    how so?

    in a happy allowing manner.

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    #10646
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    Jack
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    ok wierd…

    #10735
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    Jack
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    “this legalizes rocks and other first density entities,
    whose main avenue of learning is awareness.”

    Weird. like i said :P (typo on weird before my bad)

    #10751
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    elspru
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    Jack wrote:

    “this legalizes rocks and other first density entities,
    whose main avenue of learning is awareness.”

    Weird. like i said :P (typo on weird before my bad)

    This was inspired by Ra from the Law of One

    http://lawofone.info/results.php?category=Densities#First

    9.4 Questioner: The original, first entities on this planet—what was their origin? Where were they before they were on this planet?

    Ra: I am Ra. The first entities upon this planet were water, fire, air and earth.

    13.16 Questioner: Could you tell me about this first density of planetary entities?

    Ra: I am Ra. Each step recapitulates intelligent infinity in its discovery of awareness. In a planetary environment all begins in what you would call chaos, energy undirected and random in its infinity. Slowly, in your terms of understanding, there forms a focus of self-awareness. Thus the Logos moves. Light comes to form the darkness, according to the co-Creator’s patterns and vibratory rhythms, so constructing a certain type of experience. This begins with first density which is the density of consciousness, the mineral and water life upon the planet learning from fire and wind the awareness of being. This is the first density.

    13.17 Questioner: How does this first density then progress to greater awareness?

    Ra: I am Ra. The spiraling energy, which is the characteristic of what you call “light,” moves in a straight line spiral thus giving spirals an inevitable vector upwards to a more comprehensive beingness with regards to intelligent infinity. Thus, first dimensional beingness strives towards the second-density lessons of a type of awareness which includes growth rather than dissolution or random change.

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    #11636
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    Constitutions don’t do sh*t. Though either way im not in favor of them.

    “Nothing is more to me then myself” – Max Stirner

    #11638
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    tusavision
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    If I remember correctly: the US constitution was the product of a committee composed of the founding fathers. These guys were essentially shut up in a hotel room for several weeks getting drunk, getting in fistfights, and having serious wastebin basketball competitions until they found a set of bylaws they could all agree upon.

    It seems like you’re being deliberately precise in attempting to not use ambiguous or discrimitory language, but it’s reception by the audience(and I can only speak for myself) is that “obtuse” is a good word to describe the verbage.

    Before we can get around to handing out newly invented civil liberties like lolipops: I think it’s important to identify what went wrong with the US constitution.

    Since this is obviously a point of controversy: it may even merit a forum(although honestly I think micromanaging political outcomes is both premature, and counter productive in it’s divisive nature.)

    Was it insufficient protection for state autonomy? Was it a miscalculation in the percentages necessary to pass a bill? Was it a lack of mandatory sunset clauses on all legislation? Was it too much power in the hands of the supreme court? Was it a matter of campaign finance? Was it lawsuits? Was it the lack of a gold standard? Was it the lack of affirmation for jury nulification?

    What went wrong? What was the root cause of the failure of this union?

    Personally: I think it was several primary problems:

    1. The 16th ammendment allowed the federal government to bribe the people with their own money and castrated the ability of the states to collect sufficient tax revenue.

    2. Maribury v. Madison: the Supreme Court cannot be the sole protection against unconstitutional legislation. Jury Nulification is a necessary protection against unpopular and unconstitutional laws.

    3. The departure from the gold standard allowed the government runaway spending/expansion. This was ultimately an extension of #2 as the creation of greenbacks/FRNs was blatently unconstitutional.

    Finally: what protection does our constitution provide to inalienable rights? Can you build a democracy/idiot proof constitution which spells out a recognition of inalienable rights so clearly: that no court of law will ever be able to get away with trampling on them. Not by slippery slope. Not ever?

    How do you prevent ignorance and deterioration of respect for the constitution from becoming sufficiently prevelent to where unconstitutional government acts are met with complacency?

    The most important question in my mind: is a constitution still a useful social construct?

    Can we engineer the necessity for legal mumbo jumbo out of the picture?

    Is there a more new, modern, and relevent alternative which is more appropriate to the new world economy & the information age?

    These are the types of questions I would like to see discussed when the time comes to write a constitution, but you don’t want to write a constitution until you have a community decided on. The individual family seastead has no need for a constitution.

    #11639
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    Ok Elspru, nice but is it really necessary to phrase it so strangely? Surely the idea of a constitution is to be clear and to dictate law, not to confuse.

    “Fortis cadere, cedere non potest”

    “A brave man may fall, but he cannot yield”

    -Latin Proverb

    #11641
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    Specially “Before we can get around to handing out newly invented civil liberties like lolipops: I think it’s important to identify what went wrong with the US constitution.”

    An editorial in a local newspaper here in Florida said it all.

    545 people

    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

    Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits?
    Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?
    You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The president does.
    You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on
    appropriations. The House of Representatives does.
    You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.
    You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.
    You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices.
    545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

    I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress.
    In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.
    I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.
    They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing.
    I don’t care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it.
    No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.

    Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault.
    They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
    What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall.

    No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.
    The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.
    The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes.

    Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.
    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people.
    When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what THEY want to exist.

    If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.
    If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red.
    If the Marines are in , it’s because they want them in .
    If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.

    There are no insoluble government problems.

    Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like “the economy,” “inflation,” or “politics” that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

    Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone, have the power.
    They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.
    We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

    #11677
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    I’m always interested in hearing ideas about who will enforce social contracts. From America’s experience, it’s apparent that paper doesn’t enforce itself very well and the bigger government entity picks up the slack. If the contract states that the bigger government entity needs to reduce its enforcement power, that’s a conflict of interest. We can expect what will happen.

    A good, formal constitution would state who the enforcer is. If that enforcer (be it the public, the fed, or the states) falls out of power, either update the thing, get a new one, or do something to eliminate ambiguity. Predictability is one of the most important parts of a contract.

    Eric Jacobus
    Office Manager / Communications Coordinator
    The Seasteading Institute

    #11744
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    elspru
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    tusavision wrote:

    If I remember correctly: the US constitution was the product of a committee composed of the founding fathers. These guys were essentially shut up in a hotel room for several weeks getting drunk, getting in fistfights, and having serious wastebin basketball competitions until they found a set of bylaws they could all agree upon.

    I heard the story, Thomas Jefferson wrote it, and got some other people to sign it.

    It seems like you’re being deliberately precise in attempting to not use ambiguous or discrimitory language, but it’s reception by the audience(and I can only speak for myself) is that “obtuse” is a good word to describe the verbage.

    It’s okay, new information may take time to digest.

    What went wrong? What was the root cause of the failure of this union?

    It’s not a union, it’s an intersection.

    In an intersection (AND-All) everyone has to be the same.

    In a union (OR-All) all options are allowed.

    How do you prevent ignorance and deterioration of respect for the constitution from becoming sufficiently prevelent to where unconstitutional government acts are met with complacency?

    allowing each tribe to be it’s own government.

    so can leave and join a different one nearby.

    The most important question in my mind: is a constitution still a useful social construct?

    same as a list of recomended daily nutrients.

    a list of freedoms required to sustain body and spirit.

    The individual family seastead has no need for a constitution.

    sure it does, otherwise a person might become a totalitarian autocrat.

    many families emulate their governments, and so have devesatating social relations.

    Simply due to not knowing the basic freedoms they have to allow their fellow family members.

    OceanPhoenix wrote:

    Ok Elspru, nice but is it really necessary to phrase it so strangely? Surely the idea of a constitution is to be clear and to dictate law, not to confuse.

    I made an updated version, see If you like it any better:

    A Chakra List of Abilities:
    Allows beings to
    0 be none or do meditate or have nothing
    1 be aware or do sense or have body
    2 be addict or do satisfy or have desire
    3 be free or do choose or have options
    4 be stable or do contract or have goals
    5 be wise or do express or have knowledge
    6 be witch or do invent or have intuition
    7 be traveler or do move or have vehicle
    8 be local or do homestead or have home
    9 be planetary or do environmentalism
    10 be star or do space-flight or have space-technology
    11 be diplomat or do negotiate or have galaxy
    12 be common or do intersect or have universe
    13 be accepted or do union or have multiverse
    14 be mixture or do mix or have mixverse
    15 be divine or do infinite or have eververse

    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    Specially “Before we can get around to handing out newly invented civil liberties like lolipops: I think it’s important to identify what went wrong with the US constitution.”

    An editorial in a local newspaper here in Florida said it all.

    545 people

    agreed. since people can only operate in groups of up to around 200.

    Any more than that, and it quickly radioactively decays.

    Most common isotope of gold is 197.

    Most stable atom is nickel at 58 members.

    here is more on social cognitive limits:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar_number

    basically it’s physically impossible for a politican to take into account the opinions of their electors.

    so they take into account the opinions of those that contribute the most money to them,

    since it’s quite possible there are less than 200 multi-milliondollar contributors.

    The solution is to live in our own tribes or governments,

    here I have a brochure on neo-tribalism

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/37908834/We-You-Net-Brochure

    Eric wrote:
    I’m always interested in hearing ideas about who will enforce social contracts.

    Eric Jacobus Office Manager / Communications Coordinator The Seasteading Institute

    The enforcer is capitalism.

    People that have had their abilities infringed upon write out a promissory note on behalf of the infringer.

    buyer be some thief guy

    seller be some old lady

    product be some apples

    payment be some food

    collector be burly fellow

    so an old lady can give this as a payment for a different product to a burly fellow,

    who can then extract the payment from the thief guy by their own methods.

    In order to find out the actual amount due,

    can use barter price calculation.

    (time+mass)^chakra/abundance*utility=price

    hopefully computers could handle the actual calculations,

    since homo-sapien brains are more geared to pattern-matching.

    Though could have a list of common items and equivalences for homo-sapiens to use.

    the tribes I envision are technologically-enabled,

    with replicating robots, so there are robots available,

    which can do the price-calculations, and promissory note verification.

    could have a network for verifying promissory notes,

    such as asking witnesses to the transactions, and seeing evidence of transaction,

    also for making sure both parties agree to amounts.

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    “The enforcer is capitalism.”

    That’s a strange concept to me, and it seems to be circular in logic, since capitalism depends on enforcement mechanisms, be they market or (good) governance. We thought the Constitution was our enforcement mechanism for property rights, but turns out it couldn’t self-enforce, so the biggest party, the Federal Government, has taken the reigns. Do you propose to change the wording of the Constitution so it says “Capitalism” and lists various rules? Who enforces that?

    Eric Jacobus
    Office Manager / Communications Coordinator
    The Seasteading Institute

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    elspru
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    Eric wrote:

    “The enforcer is capitalism.”

    That’s a strange concept to me, and it seems to be circular in logic, since capitalism depends on enforcement mechanisms, be they market or (good) governance.

    that’s just mass hypnossis media hype from the recent past.

    with the banking and government monopolies synthesizing demand for themselves.

    capitalism is based on exchange, and barter.

    So if someone amasses too much wealth, then in a health eco-system,

    there would be a bunch of raids on that someone,

    so as to redistribute that wealth.

    with governments and militaries, this process is halted.

    and thereby capital can’t naturally ebb and flow,

    it just gets sucked up into coffers and stays there.

    Anarcho-Capitalism is the form of Capitalism that I and most on this forum refer to.

    here’s a quote from our beloved Wikipedia:

    In an anarcho-capitalist society, law enforcement, courts, and all other security services would be provided by voluntarily-funded competitors such as private defense agencies rather than through taxation, and money would be privately and competitively provided in an open market. According to anarcho-capitalists, personal and economic activities would be regulated by the natural laws of the market and through private law rather than through politics. Furthermore, victimless crimes and crimes against the state would not exist.

    Anarcho-capitalists argue for a society based on the voluntary trade of private property and services (including money, consumer goods, land, and capital goods) in order to maximize individual liberty and prosperity. However, they also recognize charity and communal arrangements as part of the same voluntary ethic.[10] Though anarcho-capitalists are known for asserting a right to private (individualized or joint non-public) property, some propose that non-state public/community property can also exist in an anarcho-capitalist society.[11] For them, what is important is that it is acquired and transferred without help or hindrance from the compulsory state. Anarcho-capitalist libertarians believe that the only just, and/or most economically-beneficial, way to acquire property is through voluntary trade, gift, or labor-based original appropriation, rather than through aggression or fraud.[12]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho_capitalism

    You may as well note that governments acquire money through agression, threats of violence and imprisonment. while fiat-banks acquire money through fraud, by giving out promissory notes (currency) that promise nothing, typically enforced by government aggression (legal-tender).

    We thought the Constitution was our enforcement mechanism for property rights, but turns out it couldn’t self-enforce, so the biggest party, the Federal Government, has taken the reigns.

    Yes, basically people have ability to defend their own territory.

    The Legal system is based on Natural Precedent.

    If it’s done by natural organisms (rocks, algae, plants, animals) then we can do it also.

    So you have full ability to empower yourself,

    fortify your tribe, build a cell-wall,

    and kill for sustenance or territory.

    the point of having many tribes, of small atom sized groups, potentially inter-connected

    is that centralized organization would be too big and bulky to track down and kill them.

    just as a homo-sapien has many monocellular and multi-cellular organisms living on and around it.

    so it’s far better simply to have a beneficial environment of friendly microbial or tribal life.

    of course the atom-tribes can become molecules, and plants, fungi or animals.

    so may have their own defense systems, most likely with a skin, and specialized organs.

    Do you propose to change the wording of the Constitution so it says “Capitalism” and lists various rules? Who enforces that? Eric Jacobus Office Manager / Communications Coordinator

    well if you put it that way,

    Karma is the enforcer of the constitution.

    Capitalism based on the constitution is merely the outwards manifestation of karmic-balance.

    Karma being a concept:

    That is heralded since the dawn of time,

    “as above so below” by hermetics,

    “thoughts become things” by The Secret.

    “what you put out, is what you get back” by Bashar.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcq5tcOzito

    “what you do to we, we do to you” by We You Net.

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