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    Would you consider a communal militia or a PDA more rational/effective while on a “seastead”?

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    Obviously there would be a need to identify incoming ships and aircraft for threat assessment. The USS Cole indident comes to mind here. Don’t think that a milita, or at least my concept of one, quite fits this need.

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    This presumes we have all the equipment to detect threats and react to them, with trained forces. If ALL eligible persons are trained, then it becomes more of a moot point. Still need detection and identification systems, as well as a PA and other communications, armament and trained personnel



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    We can follow the example of the atom,

    and have electrons or orbiting scouts,

    which could be a robot.

    It’s one of the jobs available in the intentional-community, is to do patrols or security.

    though in biological-cells the main security measures are passive additions to the cell-wall or border.

    so for instance installing turrets or camouflauge landscaping.

    So if there is no urgent threat, security people can work on adding and maintaining the passive security measures.

    Also recall that the main thing a cell does is produce parts for itself based on the DNA plan, with a goal of reproduction.

    Some of the parts are food production (gardens chrloroplasts) or materials recycling (stomach lysosome).

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    Depending on the size of the community I would say an armed populous would be a great deterant. Then add on I would have voted in ‘constables’ for policing type work, threat detection, and emergency command. (All other decisions would be made by popular vote in my vision). Require everyone to have some minor training in gun use, and what to do in X emergency, and you’d probably be safe enough. If bigger, I’d still go with a public police force. But any police officer can be fired by popular vote, since it is a public possition. No matter the size I think patrols and the like may be a bit extream. If someone wanted to get at you that much, you’d probably already know it, and either call for international support, or arm yourself appropriatly and START patrols by the residents.

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    You have a right to defend yourself but if you create an organized militia with uniforms and rank, that might be seen as an invitation for others to view you as a threat (waco but on the water).

    I think you could still train and be armed, but just avoid the uniforms and miltia look. Sometimes I think it was not only what you do but how you sell it that makes the deal.

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    I would do both: have every adult armed and trained, and also have community defense sensors and resources and some personnel dedicated especially to monitoring external security.

    This happens to be the Swiss model in essence: every adult male within an age range is armed and in the militia, but there is also a professional officer corps that does training and provides structure and guidance in the event of invasion.

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    Why not both? A community funded defense force who can take care of the small day to day type threat assessments. Have it extremely small but with great equipment and training. it could also double as a swat type force for kidnapping situations. Then arm and train everyone else for the real defense. The experts could then act as leaders for the rest in a situation of dire straights. That could deter most pirates or small armed forces.

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    Like in Switzerland, all are trained in the use of a standard issue Army riffle, the same applies as threats can come from all sides. The only tweak I would make is that it wasn’t centralised and instead the onus would be on the individual to train with their weapon.

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    I think these are nice plans.

    There are many individual boats on the sea. Some have a little community on them.
    In my opinion seasteading could be a bigger community.
    In a community, persons have to get along with each other. The community has to
    police itself from within. May be libertarian ideas: the one who initiates violence
    is in the wrong. Having rules are nice, specially when those rules are enforced, and
    specially when those rules are based on common consent of those who have to live by it.

    But, I think, there is still no seastead. Nothing is out there, floating on the ocean.
    In my opinion, ephemerisland is the only floating thing out there.

    And there would be people to build a seastead,
    but before building, the builders have to come to an agreement with each other
    on simple and understandable terms.

    This forum would be a good place to develop agreements on simple and on understandable
    terms. But that is not happening in practice.

    There are people, right now, out on the oceans. They are in boats. In my opinion that is
    also seasteading. There are people around Florida who “live on the hook”. They live on
    boats and they anchor here and there. Some have decades of experience in that.

    I think, that is the extent seasteading exists right now. I accept that existence, and
    I am choosing it. I am selling my house, and moving to Florida. I am planning to buy
    a sailboat and “live on the hook”, or something close to that.

    I would like to communicate with others on simple and understandable terms to form a community
    that would police itself within, and defend itself from outside threats. In both of that, I
    think, diplomacy is the right way to start.



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    Why not develop a constitution then?

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    There is no constituency :)

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