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  • #1289
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    OceanPhoenix
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    There are a small amount of people who already sail around the world. There are also people who want to. All we need to do is this:

    1. Get enough people together who want to sail around the world/already do.

    2. Get them all to sign some sort of petition or document to declare their willingness to join a widespread community who are separated from other nations, yet still tied through what will be sort of dual-citizenships.

    3. Go to a few influential countries and give them this petition to show that these people want to do this and ask them to back the movement in the next step.

    4. Go to the UN and, with the support from the other countries, have them sign something to say that they recognise us as a semi-independant nomadic nation.

    5. Make a flag for all of the people to fly under.

    6. Charge minimal income tax and no tax on housing and possesions (this is a major incentive to join the nation)

    7. Through the gathered taxes and through donations, create a small rig out to sea, with a building on it. This is the governmental building. expand the rig and give it a dock, which could eventually be expanded to become a small port.

    P.S. Before the governmental building is established, meetings of representatives of the people are held over a video-link, which will probably still be the case for the ,ost part afterwards

    Who thinks what?

    #10645
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    elspru
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    OceanPhoenix wrote:

    There are a small amount of people who already sail around the world. There are also people who want to. All we need to do is this:

    1. Get enough people together who want to sail around the world/already do.

    2. Get them all to sign some sort of petition or document to declare their willingness to join a widespread community who are separated from other nations, yet still tied through what will be sort of dual-citizenships.

    3. Go to a few influential countries and give them this petition to show that these people want to do this and ask them to back the movement in the next step.

    4. Go to the UN and, with the support from the other countries, have them sign something to say that they recognise us as a semi-independant nomadic nation.

    5. Make a flag for all of the people to fly under.

    6. Charge minimal income tax and no tax on housing and possesions (this is a major incentive to join the nation)

    7. Through the gathered taxes and through donations, create a small rig out to sea, with a building on it. This is the governmental building. expand the rig and give it a dock, which could eventually be expanded to become a small port.

    P.S. Before the governmental building is established, meetings of representatives of the people are held over a video-link, which will probably still be the case for the ,ost part afterwards

    Who thinks what?

    Ummm, how about making a flag,

    writing up some documents about how we’re a free society,

    with a constitution and all the rest,

    and then distributing the flag to anyone who will fly it.

    If you ask permission, you’re a child,

    and you’ll be treated like one.

    Adults take responsibility,

    for their own choices.

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    #10647
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    OceanPhoenix
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    elspru wrote:

    Ummm, how about making a flag,

    writing up some documents about how we’re a free society,

    with a constitution and all the rest,

    and then distributing the flag to anyone who will fly it.

    I messed up the order a bit, sorry. Although we need enough people who want to do it. Also, I don’t think a constitution is the right way to go, but that is not for this thread.

    #10665
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    OceanPhoenix
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    I’m not so sure… In most cases, it is not always good to ask permission. In this case of a new nation, however, there are some countries who would not appreciate it so much. They couldn’t do much about it, but we would be treated as outcasts. Look at gypsies, for example. There is f**k all wrong with them, but they are still treated badly by a large amount of people. This will be the same for us. Because we are unrecognised, some countries will treat us like scum. This is only my opinion, however, and I appreciate that it could be wrong or right. The whole thing would balance on a diplomatic knife edge really.

    #10653
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    wohl1917
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    Point by point:

    1. Acknowledged and understood.

    2. Working on it.

    3&4. Have to agree with elspru on those: Ask not: you do not need to ask permission to exercise your rights particularly if you are prepared to accept the responsibility!

    5. Done.

    6. The Republic has renounced the right to tax, but does charge nominal fees for services rendered and restitution from those few Citizens who choose to not meet the obligations of Citizenship.

    7. Eventually….

    < http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>

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    elspru
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    OceanPhoenix wrote:
    I’m not so sure… In most cases, it is not always good to ask permission. In this case of a new nation, however, there are some countries who would not appreciate it so much. They couldn’t do much about it, but we would be treated as outcasts. Look at gypsies, for example. There is f**k all wrong with them, but they are still treated badly by a large amount of people.

    Well maybe if they stopped compulsively stealing everything they could get their hands on.

    There would be more respect for them.

    This will be the same for us. Because we are unrecognised, some countries will treat us like scum. This is only my opinion, however, and I appreciate that it could be wrong or right. The whole thing would balance on a diplomatic knife edge really.

    It’s largely dependent on first impressions.

    Maybe if we got everyone that goes to a foreign port, to dress up in a suit and tie *shrugs*.

    Though really, as a floating nation, the most important relations are within the nation,

    as thats where most of our trade, commerce and fabrication will be taking place.

    If we hold together strong, protect our own,

    make sure we provide resources for people to become decent human beings.

    By having things like food, shelter, education available,

    we can be a role model of excellence for the world.

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    #10718
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    elspru
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    Here I found it,

    a flag that you can use to show you are seasteading,

    can be used in conjunction with other flags.

    it’s the international flag for

    M (Mike)

    “My vessel is stopped and making no way through the water.”

    which is exactly what seastead does,

    since it stays in more or less one location.

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    #10729
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    TheTimPotter
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    I would be living in the seas to escape taxes.

    #10731
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    elspru
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    capistor wrote:

    I would be living in the seas to escape taxes.

    What would be your source of income?

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    #10734
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    it’s the international flag for

    M (Mike)

    “My vessel is stopped and making no way through the water.”

    which is exactly what seastead does,

    since it stays in more or less one location.

    You are assuming that a stationary seastead is the best choice for seasteading. I dont think so. This is way. (from the Apply Seasteading Concrete,..)

    I am not a fan

    of stationary seasteads. Not @ all. They present more problems than advantages. If small, they might “get by”, mostly anywhere, even inside the EEZ of an existing nation (but of course outside of the 12 nm terr. waters), until they get big,… But “politics” will be their least concern. Anchoring it will be very difficult. DP (dynamic positionig) expensive. And the biggest problem, riding big storms, potentialy catastrophic. Not to mention that after 3 month there everybody is gonna have island fever. Mobility is an exellent source of (extra)revenue. Cargo, passangers, marine exploration, salvage, fishing, turism, pulling into ports around the world and opening the doors for people to visit and spend money,..etc. A mobile seastead can be self-sufficient just by traveling around the world. Designed as a tropical floating island paradise, anchored weeks @ a time next to the best beaches, reefs, diving spots in the world, visiting the most exotic places on Earth, Maldive, Great Barrier Reef, South Pacific, Belize, Carribean, Hawaii,…it will rock. Or, go stationary and get stuck moored on top of a seamount or DP-ing a Fix for $5000/day in diesel, 20 nm or 1500 nm offshore (doesnt really matter) for what?

    Seasteading should be fun !

    P.S. A mobile designed seastead can always be stationary, but not vice versa. The difference in cost will be negligible while the difference in functionality significant.

    Included are just a few sources of income.

    #10809
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    OceanPhoenix
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    elspru wrote:

    It’s largely dependent on first impressions.


    I agree. Not about the Gypsy part though. Some, I’ll admit, do steal things, but for the majority, Gypsies are probably normal people in all but one aspect. And can I also remind you that this is the aspect we are planning to drop ourselves. Gypsies just have bad PR.

    Isn’t that the scottish flag?

    #10812
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    Jack
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    Thats true about the PR thing, good point.

    I Like the IDea of the flag thing, but i dont want a flag i just want to be me & pay for my services, i dont want the burden of some national identity, & cause.

    #10893
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    elspru
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    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    it’s the international flag for

    M (Mike)

    “My vessel is stopped and making no way through the water.”

    which is exactly what seastead does,

    since it stays in more or less one location.

    You are assuming that a stationary seastead is the best choice for seasteading. I dont think so. This is way. (from the Apply Seasteading Concrete,..)

    I am not a fan

    of stationary seasteads. Not @ all. They present more problems than advantages. If small, they might “get by”, mostly anywhere, even inside the EEZ of an existing nation (but of course outside of the 12 nm terr. waters), until they get big,… But “politics” will be their least concern. Anchoring it will be very difficult. DP (dynamic positionig) expensive. And the biggest problem, riding big storms, potentialy catastrophic. Not to mention that after 3 month there everybody is gonna have island fever. Mobility is an exellent source of (extra)revenue. Cargo, passangers, marine exploration, salvage, fishing, turism, pulling into ports around the world and opening the doors for people to visit and spend money,..etc. A mobile seastead can be self-sufficient just by traveling around the world. Designed as a tropical floating island paradise, anchored weeks @ a time next to the best beaches, reefs, diving spots in the world, visiting the most exotic places on Earth, Maldive, Great Barrier Reef, South Pacific, Belize, Carribean, Hawaii,…it will rock. Or, go stationary and get stuck moored on top of a seamount or DP-ing a Fix for $5000/day in diesel, 20 nm or 1500 nm offshore (doesnt really matter) for what?

    Seasteading should be fun !

    P.S. A mobile designed seastead can always be stationary, but not vice versa. The difference in cost will be negligible while the difference in functionality significant.

    Included are just a few sources of income.

    Okay by seasteading I was implying gyre farming.

    In order for it to work, you must stay with the current.

    As much nutrients is dripped into the water near you,

    and so to maintain as much of the nutrients you added,

    you want to stay with the same water more or less.

    Here is another flag, this time Y for Yankee

    red and yellow diagonal lines

    “I am dragging my anchor.”

    This is basically the situation that a seastead would be in,

    since it is being carried by the current.

    Though truly there is are no anchors, except maybe some sea-anchors,

    which drag since they are simply anchored to water.

    This is an international nautical flag

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautical_flags

    To help others understand what to do when they see the craft.

    They could from seeing the flag, infer that it is likely going to go with the current,

    and so can plan a safe course around the projected trajectory of the craft.

    Additionally we can have this flag D Delta:

    top bar yellow, mid bar blue, bottom bar yellow

    “Keep clear of me; I am manoeuvering with difficulty.”

    If we are doing any diving nearby,

    or on a regular basis in a certain location,

    should have this flag A :

    blue interleaved right angle triangles flush on the left

    “I have a diver down; keep well clear at slow speed.”

    I completely agree with that we should still sail the seas.

    And indeed we can have high speed craft, like planing trimarans,

    for going to and from land, for courier services or transport.

    The seastead itself, the part that stays on the ocean,

    would be a floating island, with beacons to help you relocate it.

    Can also guesstimate where it will be through dead reckoning,

    knowing currents and craft hydrodynamics.

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