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  • #16799
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    i_is_j_smith
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    Christopher wrote:
    Ok , I guess I was wrong . It seems that depth does matter :)

    No matter what women tell you, it ALWAYS matters…

    Christopher wrote:
    I was able to find some spots showing 600 feet or less in some areas of the pacific and Atlantic.

    Send along some lat-long coordinates and I can get you pretty accurate depths. 200m is better than 2000m but you still need to find, transport, and dump a whole heck of material to make a mountain. Plus you would be surprised how unstable a pile of rock is as a building foundation. There are lots of gaps and the big chunks like to shift and settle over time as they grind against each other. I’d be very hesitant to just dump random chunks of rock into the water and then build my house on top of the pile.

    You are much better off building a solid structure 200m high, which is very easy using off-the-shelf tech.

    #16801

    i_is_j_smith wrote:
    No matter what women tell you, it ALWAYS matters…

    I was under the impression that women were more versed in size than depth!! JUST KIDDING !! ;)

    I’m more inclined to use filling size cement/trash layers instead of a building like structure because thats the way nature builds things.

    People use sand to build artificial island in very shalow places because it compacts well. I can be wrong but I believe that filling with crumbles no bigger

    than 2 inches would make a compact base just as sand does.

    The whole idea about this new country ( continent) would be to use trash as one of the main building materials. We are talking theoreticaly here but even in theory a new land mass in our planert is still

    unecessary since we still have plenty of land out there that’s uninhabitaed. The whole idea is to tackle the storage problem for the huge amount of waste material we produce each year.

    #16804
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    elspru
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    Christopher wrote:

    unecessary since we still have plenty of land out there that’s uninhabitaed. The whole idea is to tackle the storage problem for the huge amount of waste material we produce each year.

    Wow really? sounds like you’re talking about consumerist slobs….

    Waste? what waste? there is no such thing as trash, not to my knowledge,

    absolutely everything can either be recycled, or composted.

    Even radioactive waste may have some use,

    though that kind you’d likely not be able to use.

    Now what would be interesting, would to recycle the floating garbage, mostly plastics,

    we could make furniture, insulation and other things for inside our boats.

    As was mentioned earlier, defending a place, is much more important than actually building it.

    Believe me, once you build something, a nation can simply extend it’s EEZ another hundred miles, and there will be little or nothing left of the ocean, then what?

    There are plenty of uninhabited islands, however no one has managed to establish themselves on them and defend them sufficiently to form new nations.

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    #16808
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    in S Florida do you live?

    #16816

    I understand your point elspru and I also agree with it. The problem is that people will never do what is right. We as humans do what is most convenient .

    If garbage is 100% recyclable ( and I believe it is), why is it that here in florida, within a radius of 30 miles fron where I live we have 2 mountains of garbage, each one 200 feet tall?

    Because landfills are more convenient ( and cheaper) than recycling facilities.

    I can be wrong but the idea of an island ( country) where you just ship your garbage and they will deal with it, seems to be economical, convenient, and cheap.

    #16817
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    elspru
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    Christopher wrote:

    I understand your point elspru and I also agree with it. The problem is that people will never do what is right. We as humans do what is most convenient .

    If garbage is 100% recyclable ( and I believe it is), why is it that here in florida, within a radius of 30 miles fron where I live we have 2 mountains of garbage, each one 200 feet tall?

    Because landfills are more convenient ( and cheaper) than recycling facilities.

    I can be wrong but the idea of an island ( country) where you just ship your garbage and they will deal with it, seems to be economical, convenient, and cheap.

    Yes problem is we can’t really deal with hazardous waste well at this stage, though eventually once we are really good at making cheap concrete containers, we could stuff containers with waste and use them like building blocks. Though the containers would probably be more valuable filled with people.

    Though meanwhile, I’d recommend a chemically neutral location such as the deserts of antarctica, which can also be used to kickstart a civilization in Antarctica as they would have a source of industrial-age scraps. Also the mercury for instance would be safer as it would be closer to it’s freezing point.

    If the hazardous wastes leak into the ocean environment of your country, it’ll kill your crops, fish, and people. on land if some spills, meh, in antarctica it’ll probably be frozen.

    Though ya, for the waste that floats on the ocean, that’s our natural resource,

    wheras garbage from another nation is an imported good, while storing it is a service.

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    #16834
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    againsttheodds
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    Not sure trash would be the proper route here. I see that you are trying to stay green here but the stability would be compromised to a degree.

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