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  • #1582
    Avatar of jtg423
    jtg423
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    We see this from time to time.. a media hype about seasteading. Nothing, so far, as BIG as Thiel’s latest announcement (that he will be funding Patri’s new endevour) but none the less we have seen it. It is good for our exposure and for those who may want to try to obtain funding for some sort of steading project. So hopefully this will be the “jump-off” point for SeaSteading, but more than likely it will still take another 5-10 years to begin seeing a larger concousness about it. Either way it will drive more people to this site, especially since TSI was mentioned in the articles.

    To those of you who are new here… WELCOME and WELCOME. Please disregard those negative people who will attack every idea… Please know that alot of material is contained in this blog and you can not be expected to know it all. Just jump in where ever seems best and remember the dream of freedom.

    To those of you who have been here and only do this as a hobby… have fun and dont be too hard on the newcomers.

    To those of you who are serious about SeaSteading… the next year looks to be full of opportunity to make our mark on the world of tomorrow. Get out there and do it.

    I am serious about SeaSteading. If you are too, please post (can just say “HI”) to this topic and expect an PM back from me. Carpe Deim and Semper Fi.

    Thank you

    JTG

    #14676
    Avatar of shredder7753
    shredder7753
    Participant

    okay so, uh this post constitutes a MASSIVE high five from me to jtg423! i just like what he said – very true. anyone new should not feel like they have to know everything to be a member of our community. jump in, splash around, heck – make some WAAAAAAVVVES!

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    My Work II

    “Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”

    #14757
    Avatar of realpra
    realpra
    Participant

    if it’s possible we will make seasteading a reality way before Patri no matter how much money he gets. We are aiming for some serious demo projects within a year, not 10 years. We will admit our defeat if we have nothing by then.

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    We are developing modular seasteading modules for mass production at FloatHaven.com – Don’t wait, join the adventure!

    #15113
    Avatar of kgilliland1980
    kgilliland1980
    Participant

    Well, I am new here, and you are right. There is A LOT of stuff here. I have been doing nothing but reading since the day I found this place.

    #15114
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    Joep
    Participant

    I missed Thiel investing in Patri’s endevour? I’m not even sure it’s the ship like thing you are waiting for.

    Also I’m definetely serious about seasteading!

    @realpra, look at my extremely elaborate business plan here: http://seasteading.org/blogs/main/2011/08/26/the-seasteading-institutes-position-recent-details-article

    I think a good Seastead operator should not bother its clients with donations or political visions. Apart from “we’re green”, companies are never open about what their political beliefs are, and that’s a good thing. The product and its price is what matters.

    A Seastead operator should not be the one who thinks about the best market but should focus on the best infrastructure possible at sea. Your site needs a PDF listing square foot prices, a minimum bandwidth for the internet connection and all the assurances cruise ships offer (food, electricity, doctors, safety etc). Any company offering that will attract customers for sure. A lot of ventures have been discussed here (medical, outsourcing, holiday, casino, etc), but someone who actually wants to set up one of them will probably not want to do both the infrastructure and his own idea at the same time.

    #15317
    Avatar of jtg423
    jtg423
    Participant

    Obviously not the out-pouring I would like… but actually a better response than I expected. Anyway I have not been as diligent as I should in responding to you all but have now done so. Please do not feel any pressure from these PMs… it is just a way to see who is serious and who is bluff. Also, I am looking into hosting a Webinar to try to polorize a group of like minded individuals. Would anyone like to comment on this idea?

    Thx

    JTG

    #15320
    Avatar of Zephyrheart
    Zephyrheart
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    Yeah, I’m new as well. I’ve already gotten involved with the wiki and had a little conversation on the forums here. Been really busy at work lately (lots of OT), so I’ve been slacking on keeping up with events here. I do enjoy the community very much. To other newbies: don’t get discouraged if people get gruff with you. Understand that everyone is different, and the only way to move forward is to keep from being bogged down by negativity. Read up! Research! Get involved! Get excited! I know I’m excited. :D

    -Zeph

    #15321
    Avatar of shredder7753
    shredder7753
    Participant

    jtg423 wrote:

    Obviously not the out-pouring I would like… but actually a better response than I expected. Anyway I have not been as diligent as I should in responding to you all but have now done so. Please do not feel any pressure from these PMs… it is just a way to see who is serious and who is bluff. Also, I am looking into hosting a Webinar to try to polorize a group of like minded individuals. Would anyone like to comment on this idea?

    Thx

    JTG

    hi Johnahan,

    i just want to re-iterate my position, which has mostly been the same since i joined in Feb. it is extremely important to use modelling with all plans before putting them into action. if we cant reach a consensus on a theoretical model, than any physical model could more easily fail. physical model are extremely resource intensive, while 3-D/theoretical modelling is much cheaper and quicker and can help u achieve better results when the physical model takes shape.

    which design are u hoping to to implement? if its a bergstead, i would say to wait. the small model i made worked out because i did a lot of 3-D modelling and number crunching before i ever made the first cut. if you want all the dimensions needed to make that particular design in full scale, i will help u. but we already know the limitations of that design. how would it be productive for us to spend all that money and time? if the plan is to sell it, who is going to take the financial risk of it not selling?

    heres my idea:

    i’ll try to market my 1:24 scale model. i was thinking if it sells and i get some real demand i’ll hire a couple people and make a hundred of them. instead of hiring random people, maybe people from this forum would like to come live with me (i have a very spacious condo) and i’ll pay them using the income from sales.

    im open to other ideas too.

    ____________

    My Work II

    “Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”

    #15495
    Avatar of realpra
    realpra
    Participant

    Joep wrote:

    @realpra, look at my extremely elaborate business plan here: http://seasteading.org/blogs/main/2011/08/26/the-seasteading-institutes-position-recent-details-article

    Sorry, I couldn’t find your post on business planning… unless it was the thing about signing up 1/60 of the seasteaders here and getting investors, could you PM me the exact text otherwise?
    I doubt that’ll be enough you see, we need an income source out there, not just a bunch of poor people looking for cheap condos.

    Joep wrote:
    I think a good Seastead operator should not bother its clients with donations or political visions. Apart from “we’re green”, companies are never open about what their political beliefs are, and that’s a good thing. The product and its price is what matters.

    Though a company probably wouldn’t care about politics its important for a company to know that there will be law, order and that contracts will be kept. Additionally many seasteaders are 50% into politics and 50% into seasteading if not more into politics.
    We have contact with over 6 active seasteaders in Denmark and all of them care about the politics in some way or another.

    Furthermore at FloatHaven our position is that without a more efficient/freer government you might as well buy cheap land somewhere in the world – trust me theres plenty of it and not just desolate desert either.
    We see our politics as a sales argument, not something holding us back.

    Naturally the politics would be of concern to the FloatHaven movement only and not the companies involved just as companies in the US aren’t necessarily in favour of Obama, they just cooexist and cooperate.
    Our great leader (guy we have posting political blogs anyway…) also explained how taxes would work in a very non bureaucratic way and that corporations would not pay any tax. Hopefully we can still provide welfare through the increased efficiency of a science based technocratic society.
    Our laws should also be simple, but I can’t remember his blog too well.

    That said our focus is constructing a design that works first.

    Joep wrote:
    A Seastead operator should not be the one who thinks about the best market but should focus on the best infrastructure possible at sea. Your site needs a PDF listing square foot prices, a minimum bandwidth for the internet connection and all the assurances cruise ships offer (food, electricity, doctors, safety etc). Any company offering that will attract customers for sure. A lot of ventures have been discussed here (medical, outsourcing, holiday, casino, etc), but someone who actually wants to set up one of them will probably not want to do both the infrastructure and his own idea at the same time.

    This is a good idea and I agree that we need to provide such things however you have to keep in mind that we have funds enough to buy HALF a normal glass fibre boat – in short we can provide NOTHING right now.
    As such our focus is making the platform first. Once it works we can make a sales pitch and hopefully we’ll get contracted or get an investor. THEN we WILL make a document with square meter price for sure, but right now we don’t even know if it floats let alone the final price.

    If you wish you can make a sales pitch for Maersk or some other big shot and I’ll send it on behalf of us just for fun and get laughed at:
    1. Focus on storage capacity.
    2. The need to finish developing the technology.
    3. Living space/floating platforms for oil platform personel, wave energy facilities or floating wind turbines – mention Hywind here.
    4. Weight 3+ ton/m^2 and 20$-200$/m^2 with a minimum of 100.000$ in tech development/research start up costs.

    _____________________________________________________

    We are developing modular seasteading modules for mass production at FloatHaven.com – Don’t wait, join the adventure!

    #15505
    Avatar of jtg423
    jtg423
    Participant

    I mean the subject line in an inspirational way… not as a threat. I see in seasteading some very bright and capable people.

    Shred – I have now gotten back to you in a PM. Thanks for elaborating here too. As I said in my PM to you, I dont not have a platform idea that I am pushing… nor a build location… nor a float/drift location. I want to take people who already have a passion for SeaSteading, have skill sets that are suited for SeaSteading and have firm grip on what the “long road” will most likely be for true SeaSteading, and I want to get them to agree on a plan of action for SeaSteading. That is as far as I have gotten and is as far as I will go right now. Without those 3-10 intrepid people, then I do not see the movement happening.

    These are just my opinions. I do not expect everyone to agree. And I wish everyone the best of luck in thier personal ventures. But if the right people get behind a plan there is a much better chance of actually realizing a Steading then any one person alone or any number of money grubing, scholastic-labrat wanna-bees. Call me a prick if you like but that is my opinion.

    Thx

    JTG423

    #15589
    Avatar of Pastor_Jason
    Pastor_Jason
    Participant

    JTG, it’s a good work you are doing. I see this thread as an attempt to hit the ‘reset’ button and begin again without any conclusions drawn. I’m with you and open to any platform, build location and drift location. Judging by the fact that you are looking for 3-10 intrepid people, I would guess that you have come to one conclusion that you refuse to let go of. The seasteading movement will only float on the backs of people who are willing to put in the effort. I happen to share that conclusion.

    I think it would be a benefit to you to research ‘intentional communities’ as the effort you are working on here mirrors the kind of work it takes to build an IC. An IC can be built on any commonality and I think with Seasteading we have an obvious common ground. I’m willing to participate in a Webinar and I am willing to travel for a 1-2 day conference if the focus is on building a group that will work together to see this through. I have a business and a family, so uprooting to engage in an active seasteading group will be difficult. However, I’ve been working for the last two years to enable me to do just that and if this group comes together then you’d have me 100% behind it.

    In the end, none of us can know what the first seasteading experience will look like. Some of us are dreamers and can imagine all sorts of possibilities. Others are visionaries and can see a picture of what could be with more accuracy. The difference between the dreamer and the visionary is the will to build what you see in your mind. Let’s get a few dreamers together, scrub their dreams blank, then ask them to cast vision together. Once a consensus or collective dream is found to be agreeable by those gathered, ask for the buy in. This isn’t a money thing, it’s a blood thing. Cheap-skates and worry warts need not apply. Whatever remains, no matter how small is more than TSI has ever managed to gather. Seasteading will be accomplished by that group.

    I pray you manage to secure a ‘buy-in’ from at least 5.

    #15599
    Avatar of jtg423
    jtg423
    Participant

    Thank you for posting PJ… I look forward to further communications with you.

    That is my goal right now.. just to get 3-10 people to work together. The decision will be up to the members of that group what direction it takes.

    Thank you

    JTG

    There are times to hold’em… times to fold’em… and TIMES TO GET THINGS DONE! Let’s get’er done. ;)

    #15610
    Avatar of wohl1917
    wohl1917
    Participant

    When and Where? A quick look at Elspru’s ‘Seasteader’s Map’ shows that most of us (the ones he’s placed anyway) are on the East Coast of the US. Might I suggest the Pamilco Sound side of Hatteras Bight as a potential location?

    < http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>

    Avatar of jtg423
    jtg423
    Participant

    I have given the OBX of NC alot of thought (lived there for a summer)… as I have the Gulf of Mexico (Lived in Houston most of my life)… and Michigan (Lived here for 8 years and they have a tremendous amount of industrial infrastructure already developed and alot is unused and it has access to the North Atlantic via Erie Canal or the Gulf Via the Mississippi river)… and Belize (lived there for 3 months). The problem with deciding where to build or float is that a community is not formed (yet) and has had no ownership in the idea. While I like all of these areas (and more) for a varity of reasons I choose not to make a decision that I put my heart and sole (yes I know it is spelled soul but I like to pun (and if you dont get it you probably wont get me)) into an idea only to have others disregard it (for whatever reason), then I would feel like I had wasted time and energy on something and be less inclined to feel like a member of a working community and more of an outsider.

    For me the idea of SeaSteading and the tremendous amount of community building that it will entail are mind boggleing (and I am a firm believer… and throughly passionate about it). So I have come to the conclusion (my opinion ultimately) that by surrounding myself with others that have the same belief and passion (cut with a firm grip on reality and understanding… with some technical skills thrown in for economic efficiency) the end result of the community building will be that much easier and create stronger bonds while working out the other details of platform engineering, build location and float site…

    Again this is just one man’s “humble” opinion… I am always open to ideas.

    thx

    JTG

    #15624
    Avatar of SailorTrash
    SailorTrash
    Participant

    Actually, if it’s anywhere on the East Coast, we can get to it and pitch in. Can’t afford to transit the Canal to get to the left Coast.

    http://seagypsies-mikeandkatie.blogspot.com/

    Much like Eskimos and snow, boat people have over 30 words for “leak.”

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