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BERGSTEAD SEBASTIAN – 1/12 scale

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  • #16831
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    shredder7753
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    i’ll take that – with a $5980 delivery fee

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    #16837
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    shredder7753
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    fuck it im not a tool. i need a $20K budget to build this.

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    #16840
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    elspru
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    Ya, this when it’s time to cut costs.

    $6,000 for how many cubic meters of volume?

    my next concrete boat project is at least 3 cubic meters volume, with estimated cost under $1,500.

    The catamaran I’m planning on making, even if it costs twice as much as just barrels, will be $46/m^2.

    For 10 barrels it’s $250, though I’d also need rope, and salvaged wood, should have just over 10m^2 walking space on it.

    We with You are a Network, our goal to become technologically-enabled reproducible family communities. http://weyounet.info

    #16844
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    wohl1917
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    Good use of venture capital there Ocean!

    < http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>

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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    When they set their mind on something and belive that’s the right thing to do, no matter what other say, they will continue to belive and do so, regardless of the reality around them.

    This is what we are witnessing here, in the case of the so call “grassroots seasteading”. The belif is that some will built some seasteads of some sort and shape, will sell them, continue to do so untill they will make enough money to build something really big and get the fuck out of here. In order to do so, and since they don’t have money to do so, they also belive that they will convince others (since they are already 100% conviced that they have the right concept) to partners with them financialy, along the same line of thought.

    If we take a close look at this concept we will find out that this is not a direct aproach to seasteading. Why? First, one has to become a boatbuilder and build those seasteads from scratch and second, a boatbroker in order to sell those seasteads on the open market. Depending on the improbable and unprovable success of those two highly costly and time consuming operations, one might end up seasteading, or not. Well, good luck with that.

    Meanwhile, other, more down to earth individuals, consider building from scratch a waste of time and resources, and belive that using cheap houseboats moored close to shore that are imediately available as short or long term rentals to be a more direct way of achieving seasteading in a shorter, cheaper run.

    #16848
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    Ocean, how’s ur seastead coming along?

    im developing a product that starts at the entry level of all the basic capabilities needed for “seasteading”. i am developing the product, which would have never become this robust without your help and Ellmer, and everybody else. it is called collaboration. i do not have to become a boat builder or a broker. there are 7 billion other people on this rock. last week i thought i needed to learn how to build and program robotics, but i found a guy who is good at it and willing to make it happen for a reasonable cost. i am trying to act as a leader, so as people come along who have more to offer than i do, i try to plug them in wherever they can make a contribution.

    i dont understand what the problem is? this project needs financial backing. if and when someone comes along who can plug into that spot, i will let them contribute too.

    i think i know what the misunderstanding is. u and ellmer think that i believe there just needs to be one solution. one physical design to accomodate the whole seasteading industry. NOOOOOOO!! i STRONGLY encourage everyone to come up with an even better design OR a design that serves a different slice of the market. a ford f-150 is JUST ONE product out of THOUSANDS! you’re welcome to help me design and build the Bergstead, or go work on something else! it is ur prerogative!

    i do believe however that this is presently the BEST product design on the very first rung of the incrementalism ladder. the substead (captain nemo) is only half a rung up, it is not a suitable inhabitance for anyone who could afford it.

    im starting to smell that ‘3rd party inerference’ already. phew!

    and with regard to Elspru – the cost of this model is for 0 cubic meters of habitable space, duh.

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    #16850
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    is on hold for now. I am just raising capital (saving my money).

    My little help to you, here and there, was an altruistic gesture. The fact that I helped you didn’t mean that I belived that you have the right concept. And I did tell you that from the beginning how I feel about submerging your seastead. So, other than the nonsense of submerging, I have no problem with your “design” which after all is nothing more than a square floating barge. And there is no misundestanding here. And I don’t know what Wil or you or anybody really believes.

    But what I belive is that one decent solution that will fit most of the needs of the people involved in seasteading is a floating artificial island, mobile and modular.

    And of course I am working on something else, since I don’t see a need for submerging. In fact I’ve been done working on the MMK some time ago and I will start building it when I will have sufficient funds since I no longer want to bring no partners into the MMK, or to partner in general with anybody around TSI regarding any present or future seasteading ventures.

    As for you having the “best” product design, only time will tell, after you will try to get financing for developing your product.

    #16853

    ya that is a good one…what is the best only time and customers will tell…

    if you have the capacity for reality checks – you must admit that blueseed is the best project in town – for now -as they already have a million dollar in the box – i don’t know anyone else who has that…

    So my current recommendation: if you want to go somewhere learn from them…

    #16863
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    wohl1917
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    YOU COULD BUY A BOAT AND JUST DO IT!

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    wanted u guys to be the first to know… i finally realized how to make it a self-powered mobile platform with a simple, easily switchable conversion!

    even Ocean can join the party now!

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    Inventor of the “Bergstead”

    #16869
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    EARS :)

    #16871
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    shredder7753
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    well the problem is, as u may have noticed, im getting shorter and shorter on specific details. it just doesnt make sense to give away all of my research. but i promise: party for Ocean. lots of ladies.

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    Inventor of the “Bergstead”

    #16872
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    ‘…. i finally realized how to make it a self-powered mobile platform with a simple, easily switchable conversion!”

    Ehhh, you gona put an engine on it?

    #16877
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    wohl1917
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    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    ‘…. i finally realized how to make it a self-powered mobile platform with a simple, easily switchable conversion!”

    Ehhh, you gona put an engine on it?

    No. I don’t know. Too much drag below the water line I think what with cables and hanging ballast weights and turbines…

    < http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>

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    one of our brethren pledged to send me $2000 within a few weeks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    look under your mattress and find a way to scrape up $1000. join me!

    im going to make this model in 1/12 scale with 2 garages – 5,300lbs of robotic concrete.

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    Inventor of the “Bergstead”

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