BERGSTEAD KIWI – 1:35 scale
October 29, 2011 at 12:08 pm #16025
I don’t think it’s really about money. In my mind, I would want t live as self suffecient as possible. I’m very libertarian myself though. Besides,real grass and plants are nice to have around. Some who might not want to start a little farm might at least still want a little garden. Then you’ve got lawn guys who love their lawn. Purhaps it’s just me but even if I where rich I’d want to have some grass under my feet and make a nice little vegitable garden.
Purhaps it could just be choice? Unless it became a weight issue of course. Dirt has alota weight could be a top heavy issue.
‘Lead, Follow, or get out of my way.’ -UnknownOctober 29, 2011 at 12:21 pm #16026
as a person who sees himself building and selling these islands, i can assure you it is about money. u sure as fuck aint gettin one for free, pal!
depending on the size of garden you want, yes it can be done. things to consider:
-would artificial plants and turf suffice?
-are the plants hardy enough to handle the environment – consistent high winds, salt water spray?
-you might want to run a water line to the planting box for irrigation.
one of the ideas that i had was to put a hydroponic garden inside the ballast area, using a system that would float on the ballast water.
“Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”October 29, 2011 at 1:04 pm #16027
LOL I wasn’t saying it’d be free. I was saying that even people with lots of money like to grow things.
Not a big fan of Hydrophonic. Looked into it once, not the same as working the soil with your own hands. And their are plenty of plants that COULD handle those conditions. Though unless the garden is protected from the salt water you’d certainly limit yourself in what you could use. BTW what is you’re estimated asking price as of now? (For a nonsubmerging one if you’d be making that.) Purhaps as a feature (LOL car sales) you could offer a garden plot in a green house? That’d protect it from the watter. It wouldn’t have to be very big, could be really small, just enough to protect everything. Just ideas, take em, leave em, ignore them.
‘Lead, Follow, or get out of my way.’ -UnknownOctober 29, 2011 at 1:13 pm #16028
I am using hardi-backer material too. If you want to add thickness or fill in gaps I used drywall compound, but my model will not see water.
Can’t wait to see your next model. Hope you take more videos.
Let’s start a thread on gardens.
COctober 29, 2011 at 7:02 pm #16033
i have a design for a non-submerging version. i would take someone seriously if they had acces to… eh… $290K – installed. i dont have my own building site, but theres a lot of struggling industrial properties nearby that i could buddy with. also plenty of hungry workers. the price is still kinda up in the air. havent quite got it nailed down. if someone was able to throw that kind of dough around i’d start to hammer out the details.
“Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”October 29, 2011 at 10:32 pm #16039
You know I love you man… But $290k, “price still kinda up in the air”? With no product in hand?
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?cit=true&slim=quick&ybw=&sm=3&searchtype=advancedsearch&Ntk=boatsEN&Ntt=&is=&type=%28Power%29&man=&hmid=0&ftid=0&enid=0&fromLength=80&toLength=99&luom=126&fromYear=&toYear=&fromPrice=280000&toPrice=300000¤cyid=100&city=&pbsint=&boatsAddedSelected=-1October 30, 2011 at 2:23 am #16041
now wait one minute Ocean; that search included USED boats. my product would be delivered/installed brand NEW!! apples to apples bro… http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/cache/searchResults.jsp?toPrice=300,000&searchtype=advancedsearch&Ntk=boatsEN&type=(Power)&hmid=0&sm=3&enid=0&cit=true¤cyid=100&luom=126&boatsAddedSelected=-1&ftid=0&fromPrice=280,000&slim=quick&resultsLayout=1&is=true&No=0&ps=50
theres no way u think thats too high!
“Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”October 30, 2011 at 2:26 am #16042Chucker wrote:
Just kidding. I am using hardi-backer material too. If you want to add thickness or fill in gaps I used drywall compound, but my model will not see water. Can’t wait to see your next model. Hope you take more videos. Let’s start a thread on gardens. C
why wont ur model see water? what the heck dude – im gonna be dissapointed like crazy.
“Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”October 30, 2011 at 5:28 am #16043
Sry. This is business. You want to sell the bergstead? Well, this is not how business is done. Not when you are selling boats. Not even if you’re selling peanuts. Nobody will take you seriously if you say “…eh, around $290k – installed.”
For starters, the lingo in yachtsales is “delivered, brand new”. Also, you should never, ever say that you don’t have a building site. You say,”everything is in place, lined up”, regardless if you don’t have jack shit for a building site. DAHH,..Also, there is no such thing as ” if someone was able to throw that kind of dough around i’d start to hammer out the details”. No,…bro.That’s a salesman suicide. You’re done…The proper format is “exellent investing opportunity” and “we can provide a detailed business plan”, etc.
Bottom line, be a salesman not a peddler.
What I’m trying to say to you here is basically that you are trying to sell a PROJECT, not a tangible product. If you want to succed, you will have to work twice as hard and spend solid money on marketing the product-concept, provide CONCRETE informations about ACTUAL price, detailed informations regarding the design, construction, eventually a video presentation of the whole bergstead, in and out.
Do I think that the price is to high? Hell yeah! Why? Because I have no clue what you are offering in terms of accomodations, interior design, comfort, engines,etc,…(since you are selling a NON-SUBMERGING VERSION)
If I’d be in the market for a “floating crib” around $200k-$300k, I’d offer $250k for this one http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/photoGallery.jsp?ro=4&slim=quicknull&r=2397802¤cy=USD&checked_boats=2397802&rs=yachtworld.com&boat_id=2397802&back=/core/boats/2004/Custom-Liveaboard-Dive-Boat-2397802/Hurghada/Egypt&boat_id=2397802 and get in a heart beat.October 30, 2011 at 2:10 pm #16044OCEANOPOLIS wrote:
Bottom line, be a salesman not a peddler.
heres the dilemma. a bergstead needs to be built somewhere in the vicinity of where it would be installed. u dont want to tow it 1000 miles. u know that would cost a fortune. the non-submersible version is not a mass-market item. its a niche item. it has to be in well-protected waters that will never see a significant wave – i.e. a bay, a lake, or other. so i dont see a huge number of non-submersible ones selling. maybe a moderate number and they need to be built near their mooring site.
and the submersible version has a long way to go before i can say its ‘construction ready’. i hope to build the model, test it, make improvements, and then seek financial and engineering support. yea i do see that being much more popular. perhaps selling hundreds, or perhaps thousands.
its scary to just build one without knowing for certain all the legal hurdles about installing it. i have to take it one step at a time and build the support that this project is going to take. so far it has developed organically. it needs to stay that way.
“Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”October 30, 2011 at 4:53 pm #16051
I face the same dilemma when planing for the MMK.
Me too, in the beginning I was planning to build them and sell them. But I had to change that. One reality of business here in Florida is that boatsales are down, I mean rock bottom down,…. So, I had to adapt to that. I change designation, from “for sale” to “for lease”. With other words, instead of being in the business of selling seasteads, (a non-existing market, so far) we should be in the hospitality business of renting seasteads, IMHO. Either as daily accomodation or monthly rentals, the whole concept has much better chances of ketching up and make money, compared to building them just for sale. I am talking about Florida, where I did a comprehensive market research into that.
Now, doing that will requre to invest your own money, or get a loan, or get few partners in. To keep your start up capital low, you will have to downsize. In the bergstad case, you could take it down to 30′ x 30′ (yes, feet) and still be able to have accomodations aboard equivalent to 2 small 1 bedroom apartaments. If moored closed to shore you can easily rent it long term for about $1000/month ($500 each) or short term @ least $100/day. In Key West, for example, a houseboat on a mooring rents for around $ 750-850/month. long term. Also, downsizing will solve the mobility problem. Since only, lets say 30′ x30′ as per example, you can put a used 100 HP outboard on a bracket on it for about $1000. Problem solved.
Take it from here and see where it goes. If it works, reeinvest the money you are making and build few more, raft them up and continue to rent them. And take it from there.
If it doesn’t work, try to sell it for a small profit, or to just get your money back, pack up, wipe a tear and move on to the next project.October 30, 2011 at 6:35 pm #16054
see i like ur mentality. u, me, and Wil are actually competitors. but as long as we respect each other, and share the same passion, our individual pursuits could have tremendous ‘synergy’ (that word is kinda cliche now, isnt it?). the yard where Wil was working has been sold. what ar you doing now, Wil? why dont we all get together in Pompano Beach (they tell me its industrial and beautiful) and start building the business together now. i think the both if u have seen just as much financial hardship as i have. we need to make a team!
or maybe we could have it in Belize – but i dont know about work visas / doing business / and finding customers there.
“Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”October 30, 2011 at 7:51 pm #16059
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shred, i have no knowledge about Pompano Beach, i have no support base there, i have no idea where on my third party project interference scale 1-10 the location is situated, what material and workhours cost, i have no budget frame for building anything in Pompano Beach, and i have no budget frame for building someting in Belize either.
So as long as i do not get a better offer from anywhere else it will probably be my best move to stay where i am and where i have built a local support base in the last years.
The fact that the yard where we have been building Ian’s boat was sold can be positive or negative – is not clear yet . I have built things in 6 different sites in Cartagena and have possibilities in much more – so i do not depend on that yard.
I don’t believe that seasteading has competitors – the ocean is big enough to have a lot of parallel projects that do not need to compete about anything.
The whole thing of “declaring a project in a budget free room” is a kind of useless exercise. We already tested the budget ambient on the forums and found that 5000 USD/month project budget was something that we could not get together.
For me this more or less the point where i stop speaking about a “project” and take it as “chat” instead. There is a certain value in “keep chatting” – but to relocate a group of people you need serious budget frames and i can not see that happening.
Nevertheless – keep going – keep trying – when you come to age 50 as i am you will regret more the things that you did not try than the ones that you tried.
WilOctober 31, 2011 at 11:31 pm #16084
i have a problem-solving question to put out there; i HAVE to have a vent leading to the surface for when the berg is submerged. it is necessary for breathing AND in order to pump the water in and out of the ballast tank. therefore, i decided to use the flag pole as a vent pipe. inside the flag pole would be a flexible hose with a foam ring to hold the hose above water. as the berg sinks, the hose would be let out, and when the berg raises back upo the hose would be reeled back in (through the vent pole / flag pole).
if ur still with me, here is the problem; the flag pole goes under water. the hose comes out of it. how do i seal the end of the flagpole to keep water from seeping in between the hose and the pipe? its not as simple as putting silicone on it because if i did that i couldn’t push it back in through the pipe after the berg comes up.
does anyone know of a gasket or some kind of seal that would solve that problem?
“Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”November 1, 2011 at 12:00 am #16086
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