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  • #13170
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    shredder7753
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    Wilfred –
    I personally have no desire to live on this design, at all. I want to live on a gigantic floating city, be it on the ocean or in space. The major problem we have is that it HAS to grow incrementally. There are die-hard people out there who would be willing to pay a few hundred thousand to live on a permanent structure outside the 12-mile mark – just to say they have their own independent private nation! For them it will be okay if it rocks a bit, that will not rock their pride. You need to start looking at this as a business initiative, not your very next house. Carve a place for yourself to make money here. Once we can get a few people going and the momentum builds up it will eventually hit the “tipping point“. 10m squares are just a place to start it out. Do not give up so easily!

    Dont give up right now. The fashion statement you are making has already been done before:

    That’s not the best look for you, man.

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    #13172
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/ships-in-storms-high-sea/98d22af4e9a0c9244c3898d22af4e9a0c9244c38-676784833296?q=storm+at+sea&FROM=LKVR5&GT1=LKVR5&FORM=LKVR20

    Now, Shreddy,…I was giving you some FREE advice here. If you want to take it or not, it’s ok by me. But don’t give me your pissy attitude about my experience that you know jack shit about it. You can take your trailer hitched and stick it, since they won’t last 10 seconds in 10 foot seas.

    If you are so sure about it, take it to a naval architect and pay $250/hr for a consultation, get an oppinion and post it here. I was trying to save you some cash and embarrassing moments.

    Why do I feel like I’m selling diamonds to the hogs?

    #13173
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    shredder7753
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    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/ships-in-storms-high-sea/98d22af4e9a0c9244c3898d22af4e9a0c9244c38-676784833296?q=storm+at+sea&FROM=LKVR5&GT1=LKVR5&FORM=LKVR20

    Now, Shreddy,…I was giving you some FREE advice here. If you want to take it or not, it’s ok by me. But don’t give me your pissy attitude about my experience that you know jack shit about it. You can take your trailer hitched and stick it, since they won’t last 10 seconds in 10 foot seas.

    If you are so sure about it, take it to a naval architect and pay $250/hr for a consultation, get an oppinion and post it here. I was trying to save you some cash and embarrassing moments.

    Why do I feel like I’m selling diamonds to the hogs?

    awesome dude – i’ve seen videos like that before, worse than that actually. i still think it would work if moored properly and properly cared for. its true i know almost nothing about ur perspective. but since ur picking on the optional connection for rafting up these bergs, does that mean u think the bergs alone could work?

    keep us posted on ur MMK. i’ll keep my fingers crossed for ya.

    Rich

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    #13171
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    shredder7753
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    This is the city I really want to build:

    MPS 10M

    I put these buildings on a copy of the city to hi-lite just how huge this monster is:

    (my computer wont even let me rotate this scene any more – the program just crashes)

    Using 7,000 of these pre-fabricated cities we could provide a prosperous livelihood for the entire human race (6.85 billion people) in an area the size of Alabama.

    I imagine a budget of about 5 trillion USD per unit. You think TSI could get a loan?

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    #13179
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    in calm and protected waters, LOL. Anything will work in 4 ft waves and 15 ft of water. Anything that floats, for that matter. I had no probelms with that,…and they actually look pretty good,.. just the trailer hitch that was never designed to do such a heavy duty job offshore was my concern. :)

    I still think that your original idea with the triangular floats was much better, instead of squares. I don’t know why you changed that….

    #13182
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    shredder7753
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    OCEANOPOLIS wrote:

    in calm and protected waters, LOL. Anything will work in 4 ft waves and 15 ft of water. Anything that floats, for that matter. I had no probelms with that,…and they actually look pretty good,.. just the trailer hitch that was never designed to do such a heavy duty job offshore was my concern. :)

    I still think that your original idea with the triangular floats was much better, instead of squares. I don’t know why you changed that….

    Now we seem to have some agreement that this design COULD possibly work and COULD possibly be a candidate. Let me compare this to buying a $30K used vessel…

    $30K used vessel costs:

    -search procurement

    -place to put it, and work on it

    -design and engineering fees (yes you will need professional help determining exactly what needs to be done and exactly how to do it)

    -materials aquisition and storage

    -supervision and labor (lots of conflict because low-paid superviser(s) will have low knowledge of individual systems and methods needed to restore them)

    -constant refueling OR a mooring line OR a permanent dock ($$)

    -constant high maintenance costs, labor intensive, will require outside labor if volunteers turn away

    -even if you bought AND restored it for a total of $60K your recurring costs will consume the project because it provides little value and proves nothing, impresses nobody.

    $30K used vessel value:

    -a refreshed used boat (yay)

    -not designed for your particular mission

    -very low to almost no resale value

    -noisy motor hum

    -not even a seastead, just a group of guys living on an old boat – nothing original about that

    -low confidence / stability

    Mini-BergStead costs:

    -Construction plan development (a hefty cost – BUT reusable as many times as you want)

    -place to build and launch it (if we convinced Wil the design was sound he might do it for a reasonable cost)

    -supervision and labor – lower because we’re using standard industry building methods and materials for cast in place concrete.

    -mooring cost – thats kinda big but only one time if purchased – non-recurring, has resale value.

    Mini-Bergstead value:

    -Fully functional, brand spankin new, tailored to meet our exact needs

    -Very long life-span

    -Extrememly low maintenance

    -Potentially good resale value for a concrete structure – probably better than if we had bought a new boat

    -the mooring itself even has resale value

    -no engine noise, actually not much noise at all anywhere on or inside of it.

    -ITS A PRIVATE ISLAND BEYOND THE 12 MILE TERRITORY ZONE!

    -fame, fortune, slave women for everybody!

    (she’s a YesMaster 6000)

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    #13183
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    that concrete floats or structures ARE NOT the way to go. Au contraire,…my friend. If you look @ the MMK, it’s a hybrid, a ferrocement floating dock with a houseboat for living quarters. If we take the houseboat out of the picture we do have a bergstead, (just a different shape), yeap? The most expensive part of building the bergstead it’s not the hull, but the accomodations to make it liveable. This is what I’m trying to say here,…F@#$ the hull, it’s a damn concrete float and nothing else! Water tanks, air conditioning, heat, electrical systems, plumbing, waste holding tanks, furniture, kitchen, appliances, anchors, chain, rode, etc, all that will cost serious money and more serious money in labor. That’s what I’m trying to avoid for a start up small project close to shore that I am willing to invest my own money into,…

    Don’t get me wrong, if an investor will come to me with solid cash in hand asking if Shredder’s bergstead is douable, I’d say yes in a heart beat since I wouldn’t mind getting the contract doing all the above for $50/hr (and that’s a discounted half price for labor!) for the next 3 month,…if lets say, WiIl builds the hull.

    So, we are talking about 2 different things here: building a seastead for somebody else, with their money, or building a seastead for ourselves, with our money. Big difference. What business do you want to be in?

    1. Building seasteads? Not much of a demand so far… Yeap, you might get few contracts here and there. When you’re finish, you delivered to the owner, get paid, get drunk and maybe lucky with miss YesMaster xxx and you got to look for the next gig,..
    2. Operating seasteads? Much better. You spend the money to build it. When you’re done, you will always make money off that seastead (if you know what you’re doing:).

    My take, anyway.

    #13188
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    wohl1917
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    Generally I defer to your experience on such things but Shredder’s trailer-hitch connecting system, beefed and scaled up, isn’t that that bad!

    < http://ocr.wikia.com/wiki/Oceanic_Citizens_Republic_Wiki>

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    shredder7753
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    Wohl – That was awesome

    Ocean – Sounds like we have a deal. If you prefer to own the structure, okay – I’ll sell you one… I just need your check to go ahead and start the ball rolling! We here at ShredderSteads wish you many happy moons upon your new Mini-Bergstead. Dont worry about the fit-out. You are welcome to opt-in to doing as much or as little of that as you choose. The rest will be taken care of for you in our state of the art manufacturing center.

    Here is a sample of some of our most recent options available:

    P.S. – please send postcard.

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    #13193
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    OCEANOPOLIS
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    The check is in the mail. All you have to do is wait. :)

    #13195
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    R-B-Wood
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    So where is this state of the art fabrication center and when can I come take a tour?

    Do these come in Armani?

    #13240
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    shredder7753
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    just occured to me that the name “patri” might be short for “patriot”. whats that have to do w artwork?

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    #13276
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    J.L.-Frusha
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    Just remember, they will be considered suspicious and will probably be boarded, repeatedly,… especially considering the drug sub that got recently captured…

    Later,

    J.L.F.

    Never be afraid to try something new…

    Remember, amateurs built the ark, professionals built the Titanic.

    #13280
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    shredder7753
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    J.L. wrote:

    Just remember, they will be considered suspicious and will probably be boarded, repeatedly,… especially considering the drug sub that got recently captured…

    Later,

    J.L.F.

    Never be afraid to try something new…

    Remember, amateurs built the ark, professionals built the Titanic.

    well… instead of just looking at that in relation to this design, should we look at it in terms of seasteading, in general? seems like a problem we all have to deal with. i think legal permits are pretty important for all stead – including Elspu’s dinghy. if anyone gets hurt on it they gonna have to deal with the legal system.

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    #13285
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    shredder7753 wrote:

    i think legal permits are pretty important for all stead – including Elspu’s dinghy.

    “I’m a free man. this is private property. be a peacekeeper, let me have my piece and you can have your own.”

    and boats under 2m are exempt from canadian regulation.

    if anyone gets hurt on it they gonna have to deal with the legal system.

    I’m a pirate yo, remember that,

    when people see the hat,

    they know, it’s my rules.

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