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  • #12926
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    this is the beginning of PalaStead. starts with a Bergstead and adds several floors on top. Havent built them yet. the solar panels are built on MODULAR rafts that can be re-arranged to allow more Bergs to join in. this joint could actually maintain self-sufficiency beyond the EEZ – and that includes “lazy” station-keeping. it is in the multi-million dollar range tho, sorry bout that.

    you guys are all a rotten egg if you dont start beating my designs! we need some competition here!

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    #12933
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    okay im cheating a little bit. this is not a seastead, its a space habitat that provides simulated gravity. you could fit-out the interior just like a SubStead

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    #12943
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    double post

    #12944
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    Here some images of an advanced colony of semisubs, just some sketch I did a couple of months ago using an oil platform as reference.

    The pictures show both the individual seastead, or joined in a colony. Furthermore the periscope can be plain or ellaborate forming a parabolic-shaped, or simply terraced deck (water collection, sun, wind protection)

    After reading more thoroughly Wil’s points I realize some obvious mistakes in the above designs, and also deviced simpler solutions.

    I’m currently thinking of a substead but with some sort of retractable, hydraulic?, deck (or even lighter, a “delfinera”, a mesh that works like a tensile deck found in most yachts and ships in history) Save the scale, it would look just the same as the above pics.

    Let’s see where this goes.

    #12948
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    thats cool matt

    update – whoa – took me a while to get it but now i understand that model. its pretty awesome, man.

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    #13019
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    eat yer hearts out naysayers. glory, glory, hear we come!

    these platforms are designed to fit 4 bergsteads beneath each one. they can be single level bergsteads or doubles, as shown. no matter how many platforms are lined up together, the bergsteads are all free to move about, or just stay put for many years!.

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    #13112
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    4 Mini-PlateSteads (10m x 10m and walls 1.5m high) with a hastily scaled boat:

    Connectors to link together Mini-PlateSteads:

    Mini-BergStead:

    Created by building up a Mini-PlateStead and adding 1 floor to enclose the balast/fuel storage level, and another floor to provide an interior space with a deck on top.

    Mini-BergStead cut-away:

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    #13120
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    A progression from Mini-Platestead, to Submersible Mini-PlateStead, to Mini-BergStead:

    Here it GROWS!

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    #13121

    nice designs – just let me throw in a few basic quetions you might want to think about:

    Mobility is your best card – why would you sacrifice mobility with a square design when you could take the same amount of material and shape it as a rapidly moving catamaran.

    The broader the structure the more stable – so why would you pile up the living space in “floors” instead of spreading it out in a much more stable horizontal space.

    Why would you opt for a “tiling concept” when flexible gangways between structures is the way everybody else is going (for a good reason) to connect structures in wave conditions.

    Why would you have flat walls and 90 degree angles if rounded structures are much stronger.

    Wil

    concretesubmarine.com

    #13122
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    nice designs – just let me throw in a few basic quetions you might want to think about:

    Mobility is your best card – why would you sacrifice mobility with a square design when you could take the same amount of material and shape it as a rapidly moving catamaran.

    The broader the structure the more stable – so why would you pile up the living space in “floors” instead of spreading it out in a much more stable horizontal space.

    Why would you opt for a “tiling concept” when flexible gangways between structures is the way everybody else is going (for a good reason) to connect structures in wave conditions.

    Why would you have flat walls and 90 degree angles if rounded structures are much stronger.

    Wil

    concretesubmarine.com

    Your questions are quite appreciated, Wil. Here are the reasons I believe this concept is far superior to the others and how I justify it in regard to your concerns:

    1. Mobility – My idea is to grow organically in one place. First, find a place that is legal to moor a “live-aboard” vessel within a few miles from the coast in a moderate temperature zone. Each mooring connection would be designed to hold between 4-8 Mini-BergSteads. As it grows, there would eventually be several mooring cables enabling several of these groups, BUT each group needs to be far enough apart that they cannot possibly drift into each other, which depends on the slack of the mooring cables. Each owner would then also have their own small boat. It is up to the owner to decide if they want to buy a hoist or just tie up their boat to the side of their ‘stead.

    One of the main points in this design is to demonstrate, without risking life or limb, that the moored design would survive extreme weather conditions. SO you take your boat and precious valuables back to shore if you are not confident yet that the GroupStead you’re in will stay afloat during a storm.

    2. Broader = better. Thats true, which is partially why the Mini-BergStead has only one interior level. If it is to provide shelter, it has to have an interior level. I guess you could forego the ballast level, but the top deck is a side-effect of having a roof. Plus, the entire system should be designed to handle a wave going right over the top, which is where your expertise would be particularly helpful.

    3. Flexible gangways – I am having trouble understanding how any 2 structures can avoid colliding with each other with only a flexible-gangway connection. I need some clarity on that. These concrete structures are fastened together using the metal connector devices shown above. Those connector devices can be modified to a range of lengths, and adapted to support a walkway.

    4. The geometric properties of round structures mean that they tend to be stronger than square, or flat. There is no disagreement about that. However, we need the structure to be “strong enough”, not infinitely strong. IF the concept can be engineered to a square design that is truly “strong enough” I believe it is a better way to go – that would allow tiling (perhaps even fractal tiling eventually), normal walls, and a more effective use of space.

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    #13124
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    i just realized the “new” connectors were not so good afterall. they would still allow the structures to bang into each other. heres the original concept:

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    #13123
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    helicopter fly-by:

    these may not be far enough apart. also, not everyone has to have a commuter boat. once a few people have them they can start sharing the cost.

    heres another angle:

    windows that stare into your neighbors window? not so good. but that is why they make frosted glass and window shades that let light in.

    heres yet another, i like this one:

    it dawned on me while staring at this how the larger the donut hole in the middle, the more vulnerable it is to torsion and potentially twisting and pulling itself apart – do you guys see that too?

    one thing that intrigues me about this Berg is that, apart from being built piecemeal by people on the water, theres potential for highly industrious construction as well. it is very possible that the shells could be built rapidly and en masse by robots, much like cars.

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    #13125
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    “Welcome to the neighborhood! You wanta havva catch with us, later?”

    this or this?

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    #13128
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    if anybody comes up with a plan that could do it more cheaply than this… i will be impressed!

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    #13129
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    This might be a greater improvement:

    don’t ask me how to move them or put them in place. im hoping they dont need a special crane ship.

    this or this?

    same scene, crappy render:

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