The Seasteading Institute

Ocean, i agree completly with you, Joe Blow his financial capacity, his decision making processes, how he will compare us with other “create living space for your family” offers, this is the key to make it happen – if we can not make a good offer to him – massification of seasteading and a social relevant amount of seasteaders will not happen.

So how do you feel about that scenario – Joe Blow – buys a “piece of space” from a floating development managed by seasteading inc, the cost is very low as the price per squaremeter out on the water is not competed as “land” woud be. He recieves a container of floating HDPE elements from xns. He assembles them to a floating form in one afternoon. Then he casts a concrete shell on top of the form recieving a mix truck on a barge organized by seasteading inc – within a week or so Joe Blow is mounted this way.

He has not to be a pioneer as the engineering is worked trough by the engineers of seasteading inc and the permits are done by the development company. John also counts with a favorable “floating homebuilder credit” from seastead inc.

Now as John has created his own parcel of land he can build any kind of structure he likes on it – seasteading inc. – recommends dome houses and similar structures that can take a massive water wash. They rent airforms, sell modular housebuilding sistems, offer container houses, and a wide range of other options – all in range of a normal pocketed housebuilder.

Johns floating house vision ends up to be this:

but it could also be something like this:

Or something open water capeable like this:

or something like the floating and submerged shell structures that we build (see earlier in this thread)…

Seen from the air the floating district promoted by seasteading inc will look very similar to this:

just it contains “houses” mixed with boats…

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thats a cool idea. lots of space below the surface and a little bit of room to romp around on a pleasant day outside.

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My Work II

“Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”

for the need to be mobile while seasteading. While those ships have to go thru those storms due to contractual obligations of being in port @ a certain time, a seastead won’t. A floating mobile seastead can easily avoid such storms by changing course towards calmer waters, anytime.

I can definately postulate that a mobile seastead could operate in calm(er) seas at all times.

If we are talking about stationary seasteading, NOT anchored and NOT floating, but permanently built from the bottom up on a shallow seamount or in a bank somewhere, I totally agree with you. You would built solid concrete shells that would last forever. Done deal.

But, if this is the ultimate goal, then why not just buy a deserted island somwhere, and just build on it? It would be much cheaper than building the whole damn thing from scratch, for sure.

If we are talking about stationary anchored, I have big doubts that anything will hold in place or survive a categoty 5.

Maybe the current on the bottom will stirr the sand (mud, etc) and your anchor will drag. Or maybe not. Maybe your chain will broke (remember, your are built heavily and your inertia is high under those conditions). Or maybe not. Maybe your deck won’t hold your anchor cleat(s). Or maybe it will. Maybe you’ll take a big one over the bow and develop a bad leak on the main deck and start taking water big time. Or you won’t. Etc.

To many “maybe’s” to let life and property ride on,…in my book. Are you ready, as a builder, to sign up on that project, in good moral faith, when you know that 250 people will live on it, permanently? What are you gonna tell that captain who is supposed to assume command when asked: “How do I avoid a storm in this one?”. Because if you say “No worries, bud, is build to last.” you’ll have a hard time finding a good captain. Do you think Lloyd (or anybody else, for that matter) will insure you without an engine. I doubt it. And good luck finding investors who will give you money if you cannot insure their assets.

And for what? To save 5% off the total cost on the price of 2 good engines? My oppinion, anyway.

i think i made it clear before. my islands are NOT free. i personally like money, and the best is when u worked hard for it, the customer knows u worked hard for it and provided them wth a lot of value for a decent price and they will give u that money and still be grateful as hell that you provided that product or service for them. my painting customers love me like crazy. the number of people who i worked for that have NOT served me a full course meal at their table is less than 10% of my customers – not a joke. these peeps are happy to give me their money, and grateful about it. they know that my product constitutes a major improvement in their life that can last and last for many years.

ohhhhhhhh PJ calling PJ. i know ur listening…

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My Work II

“Leadership and do-ership are not the same thing”

how does this disclosure of your intimate love relation with money and other people feeding you free food has anything to do with the subject at hand? Just curious :::)))

Building structure on an island is not more economic than building structure afloat. On the water you don’t need to buy a building lot, and you can move heavy modular things around very economic. You also can get materials (like cement) shipped directly in container from china, with no taxes and no land transport cost.

In fact my favorite scenario is buying a beach or just a “floating right in front of a beach” to stay third party interference free, in the range of 9 on the 1-10 scale but build afloat anyhow. What concerns building a house on a tropical beach and building something afloat in a tropical country i have done both and i would prefer afloat for a lot of practical reasons (see more here) among those jejenes, administrative hurdles, and breeze.

Some of the general reasons why and how you choose a location is discussed on the Seasteading Caribbean select loctation thread.

Wil

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