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anyone want a slightly used aircraft carrier? HMS Invincible for sale CHEAP

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  • #1395
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    Alan
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    It doesn’t have engines, and the pumps are “generally not working or serviceable”, but who knows? It might have some uses as a seastead, and it comes with an airstrip that could probably handle small planes.

    http://www.edisposals.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/Disposals-Public-Site/en_US/-/GBP/ViewProductDetail-Start;pgid=MieqQ4wkQg8000ArvQ_8K1sp0000giKn52gz?ProductUUID=38jAqBIQwVwAAAEsaApaBWLN&CatalogCategoryID=VaLAqBELPagAAAED8GeasfoP&JumpTo=OfferList

    The auction is soon, however, and if anyone wants a walkthrough they need to get on the ball and make arrangements by the 10th of this month.

    #12007
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    Alan wrote:

    It doesn’t have engines, and the pumps are “generally not working or serviceable”, but who knows? It might have some uses as a seastead, and it comes with an airstrip that could probably handle small planes.

    http://www.edisposals.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/Disposals-Public-Site/en_US/-/GBP/ViewProductDetail-Start;pgid=MieqQ4wkQg8000ArvQ_8K1sp0000giKn52gz?ProductUUID=38jAqBIQwVwAAAEsaApaBWLN&CatalogCategoryID=VaLAqBELPagAAAED8GeasfoP&JumpTo=OfferList

    The auction is soon, however, and if anyone wants a walkthrough they need to get on the ball and make arrangements by the 10th of this month.

    What do you mean by cheap? there was no price listed at that link.

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    #12011
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    Alan
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    elspru wrote:
    What do you mean by cheap? there was no price listed at that link.

    Well, they’re holding an auction, so no one knows the exact price yet.

    I think the expectation is that it will be in the low millions, which will certainly be much cheaper than what it originally cost.

    #12012

    the value is the scrap metal value – if a ship is not auctioned off to the scrap metal industry, it is because the cost of cleaning it up for scrap metal use, is higher than its metal value. This is the case when a ship is infested by asbestos, or needs a extensive tank cleaning – so hands off of steel structures that the scap metal industry does NOT want for recycling.

    In those cases you acqire a ship, but most of all you aquire a “toxic waste removal and disposal problem” the pros in the scrap metal industry do NOT want to deal with – because it is bigger than the ship value.

    The reason why the navy sells old historic ships in first place is that they just can not afford the required expensive maintenance shedule any longer (and the navy has a mayor BUDGET) – to get a picture ask for the cost of a squaremeter of grit blasting in a local metal firm – multiply by the squaremeter of surface number of an aircraft carrier. – add drydock cost in one of the 3 drydocks on your continent that can handle the job – so you have the Budget you need to pay every 5 years just to keep the thing afloat – no fuel, station keeping, infrastructure, refit, etc… included yet.

    If you do that calculation you clearly understand why nobody is doing it (using old warships as floatels ) – the cost of living there would be (at least) some 600 USD/day per person. Somebody who can afford that, prefers to live on a yacht – this is why there is no second life for warships, old oil rigs, and similar steel structures in seasteading – the only second use that is feasible business is scrap metal. – and this is where old ships normally go.

    For seasteading you need structures that can stay maintenance free on the ocean for many decades – only concrete can give you that. You need to lower the price of housing at sea to a level that is compareable to the housing cost on land – it is a economic problem – ships and oil rigs are not built to solve that problem, on contrary – they are extremly maintainance shedule driven structures – completly unfit for staying at sea permanent in a economic way – they where not built for that.

    Wil

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    #12027
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    I don’t see why you would absolutely need to have it last several decades.

    If you can get it for cheaper than the scrap value you might be able to make a profit just from landing fees on the airstrip. Put it next to a seasteading project outside the EEZ where helicopters cannot reach and an airport for fixed wing aircraft will be valuable.

    Don’t do any maintenance if it’s too expensive. Just use it as long as it floats.

    Or do like the oil industry and put zinc anodes (with divers) on the hull to slow down the corrosion. This is probably a lot cheaper than blasting and painting the hull.

    The interior spaces can be rented out or sold to people or businesses without any preparation. The buyers or tenants can clean up the asbestos if they feel like it.

    #12031
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    I was wishing more along the lines of a grass airstrip, to graze livestock AND light/ultralight aircraft…

    Later,

    J.L.F.

    Never be afraid to try something new…

    Remember, amateurs built the ark, professionals built the Titanic.

    #12034
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    The difficulties of landing on an aircraft carrier are rather extreme. If a seastead was too far for a helicopter, then a light aircraft equipped with pontoons for landing at sea would be the best alternative. Is it interesting that an aircraft carrier is for sale… sure. Should we consider using it… no way. See Wil’s post above for why.

    Live Well!

    -Jason

    #12037
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    How do you figure landing is extreme? With a fighter jet, using the arrestor cables, yes. But we’re not going to do that. A light STOL airplane might not be that difficult to land.

    I’m not exactly sure about how many or how large aircraft can make do with 150m or so of runway, but they exist for sure.

    Seaplanes need very calm seas. An airstrip would increase the availability.

    Who are “we”? Do not rule out options prematurely. If we set the bar too high and assume that pioneering seasteads will need to be brand spanking new and squeaky clean it might never happen.

    Whether something like this would make economic sense will depend mostly on the purchase price and the time it will stay afloat with minimal maintenance. There is no need whatsoever to invest in non-critical (i.e. anything that isn’t directly needed to keep it from sinking) refurbishments because the market will take care of that.

    edit: On second thought, I don’t think these UK carriers have arrestor gear, because they only launched the VTOL/STOVL Harrier, and helicopters. Anyway, the argument for light STOL planes is the same, 150m runway or so.

    Also, cows and runways don’t mix very well, I would guess.

    Pastor_Jason wrote:

    The difficulties of landing on an aircraft carrier are rather extreme. If a seastead was too far for a helicopter, then a light aircraft equipped with pontoons for landing at sea would be the best alternative. Is it interesting that an aircraft carrier is for sale… sure. Should we consider using it… no way. See Wil’s post above for why.

    Live Well!

    -Jason

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