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This topic contains 35 replies, has 8 voices, and was last updated by Avatar of vincecate vincecate 1 year, 11 months ago.

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  • #20362
    Avatar of CompulsiveCoder
    CompulsiveCoder
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    Also there’s a chance things have changed since I spoke to that guy, and since I worked for the marketing guy.
    And since I did the business course where they mentioned that, in the copyright subject, that the moment you publish something you hold copyright. Or the moment you have proof of the date you came up with it. And that registering it is simply a formalized way of proving this.
    As I said…things may have changed.

    #20363
    Avatar of CompulsiveCoder
    CompulsiveCoder
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    And just to clarify. My point about the connection between copy right and patent is, as far as I know, that if you hold copyright that is sufficient to prevent others from patenting your idea.
    You likely need to make sure your copyright is known publicly though for that to happen.
    It doesn’t mean you can necessarily stop others from using your idea (though maybe you stop them from profiting from it), just to stop them from patenting it which might prevent you from using it yourself.
    So obviously they’re different things, but copyright I believe is sufficient to ensure you can keep using your idea, and no-one can stop you from using it by patenting it.

    #20364
    Avatar of Patrick
    Patrick
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    I guess were all inventors in a way since were trying to create a new design for a autonomous seastead that can work at sea. I think this conversation is great and needs to be talked about because to even have a shipstead or a metropolistead it will need to be a business and all businesses need protection against theft. On the other hand wouldn’t a seastead be out of the reach of patent enforcement? I mean if someone is gonna copy your patented idea to make money and go out in the ocean who’s gonna go after them and shut them down?

    #20365
    Avatar of shredder7753
    shredder7753
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    I think the next step in the Seasteading movement is to go pick a major fight with the Zeitgeist movement, and more specifically the Venus Project. I hate those fuckers. Their ideas are so Stalinist they got no clue at all. “This is our planet and we should all learn to be happy and get along on it” …No fuck you I dont want to learn how to live better on this planet I want to live in space you pieces of shit. If we showed them why their ideas are a mindfuck we could lay claim to numerous regiments of their followers. (and lay waste to all the rest (no j/k))

    #20370
    Avatar of Ken Sims
    Ken Sims
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    Why should we pick a fight with any other movements?

    As long as participation is voluntary and informed, what business is it of ours?

    If we want other movements to leave us alone, we need to do the same.

    #20371
    Avatar of shredder7753
    shredder7753
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    nope. we have to kick em in the teeth. the seasteading movement is growing too slowly. we need more drama to get the attention of a wider audience. when people see how superior seasteading is to all other social movements they will realize how important it is to join in. but we have to pull it off the back burner and onto the front lines. annihilate the Zeitscheister movement.

    #20373
    Avatar of Ken Sims
    Ken Sims
    Keymaster

    shredder7753 wrote:
    we have to kick em in the teeth.

    Seeing as you are a TSI ambassdor, even though you would presumably not be doing this in the name of TSI, I strongly suggest that you talk to Randy or someone at TSI before you start kicking anyone in the teeth.

    I can’t speak for TSI in this matter, but I suspect that they would not agree with “kick em in the teeth”, and I also suspect that they would not want someone who is publicly known as a TSI ambassdor behaving in that way, even when not officially acting as an ambassador.

    (I could be wrong, of course. My volunteer work is not as an ambassador, just a website admin and the primary spamfighter.)

    #20375
    Avatar of CompulsiveCoder
    CompulsiveCoder
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    Interesting…I’ve had a few chats online with someone involved in the zeitgeist movement.
    I’m not technically a supporter of the movement, but I support any ideas and creativity, so long as none is imposed upon anyone, and as long as no-one claimed to be superior to anyone else.

    I’m happy to let some market forces based competition go on between seasteading institute and the zeitgeist movement. The best ideas will win, and that’s how it should be. If they’re lagging….well the markets will allow people to leave them behind.

    Market forces must still be subject to and regulated by international and common law (to avoid abuses of power and resources, as in you can’t claim governance over the entire ocean and prevent others from using the ocean), but other than that I think they should be pretty much open and free.

    No teeth kicking required. If they come up with some good ideas we’ll learn from it. If they want to learn from my ideas I’m fine with that.
    I’m an open source software fanatic (the one case I’m happy to be seen as a fanatic) and my whole philosophy revolves around open source, and open learning, and open sharing, with minimal hindrance and regulation.

    The more options and ideas the better.
    The more experimentation the better.
    Competition is great so long as it doesn’t reduce options, ideas, and experimentation, due to one group trying to interfere with another.

    So long as nothing is imposed upon anyone and everyone is free to follow their own path (with the condition they don’t hinder others doing the same).
    Then people will decide which to go with and those who can’t keep up will be left behind.

    Having said all this….it seems the zeitgeist movement, and venus project, from the little I know of it, are focused on fancy expensive designs for the future, moreso than feasible plans for today.
    To some extent the seasteading institute have some of the same futuristic plans, but at least I see many people here experimenting with prototypes, and trying to make something now, today, that is affordable.

    May the best ideas win…..

    #20376
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    CompulsiveCoder
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    Correction…..instead of “may the best ideas win…”
    I’ll change it to:
    “May the best tangible prototypes, experiments, and demonstrations, and the corresponding real world uses…….win”
    Ideas are great. Prototypes and demonstrations are key though.

    #20379
    Avatar of Elwar
    Elwar
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    “I mean if someone is gonna copy your patented idea to make money and go out in the ocean who’s gonna go after them and shut them down?”

    I believe that initially there will need to be patents because we do not have seasteads where manufacturing will be taking place, all of that will likely occur in some country, selling to people from that country to go out into the sea.

    If someone were to build a seastead and start using patented technology then that would be something the patent holding nation would want to have to decide whether they want to deal with it or not. Judging from the way that the US deals with China and their copyright theft, they would likely be free to copy.

    But initially, just like choosing a flag of convenience, we need to play by the rules of the countries of choice until we reach the goal of truly seasteading.

    #20390
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    shredder7753
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    A) “Kick em in the teeth” is metaphorical expression. that should go without saying. like when ur watching a football game and u want ur team to “kill” the other team.

    B) I dont think the company selling seasteads will need a ‘flag of convenience’. but a good topic of research is “what is the best strategy to establish a seastead building company”. you probably want to set up your business near your best potential market. and im not sure where that is yet.

    #20401
    Avatar of CompulsiveCoder
    CompulsiveCoder
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    I think one good strategy to setting up a seastead building company is partly to build seasteads specifically for profit.
    I’m keen on not for profit strategies too, but setting up some which are designed to be profitable attracts people and businesses with lots of cash.
    Things like farming fish, mangroves (for construction material and animal feed), edible plants (for sale to restaurants and supermarkets), carbon sequestration (for companies to get carbon credits), power generation, etc. can all be profitable.
    If we produce profitable seasteads they should be quite easy to sell….rather than ones simply designed as homes, which will be harder to sell (because people have less cash than businesses).
    My goal is to start these kinds of farming on my stead before I even start living on it. Then use the funds to keep increasing the size, etc. of it. Plus if it’s really profitable I’m happy to sell the whole thing….then use that to build a larger one…then sell it…and repeat the process.
    I think we should set up an international business designed to help us work together to build such profitable seasteads then invest profits/sales back into building more.
    If done properly it should snowball, as each sale/profit should cover the original costs plus enough for another larger stead.

    #20402
    Avatar of Ken Sims
    Ken Sims
    Keymaster

    shredder7753 wrote:
    A) “Kick em in the teeth” is metaphorical expression. that should go without saying. like when ur watching a football game and u want ur team to “kill” the other team.

     

    Well, yes, I wasn’t expecting you to literally kick someone in the teeth. I was using metaphorically also. You were clearly advocating a negative approach to other organizations. IMO such a negative approach is not warranted at all.

     

    My other concern is about you (or any TSI ambassador) engaging that kind of activity, even in your own person.

     

    To make an extreme example … How well would it go over if President Obama were to say something like “Speaking just as myself, not as President of the United States, I think we should nuke the hell out of the [insert name of some country or group here].”

    #20404
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    shredder7753
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    sportsmanship is what it all boils down to. go ahead and walk around the field tellin people how nice the weather is. yea… they still wanta rip off ur face and shove it down ur throat when the whistle blows. competition is the foundation (the hull?) of seasteading. fortunately in amerika we luvz competition.

    and using a presidential example; what if prez reagan had stood in Berlin and said “Mr. President, tear down this wall!”. …ah shit he did say that. and its one of the most historic things any leader ever said in recorded history. but to the communists at the time, that kind of hate speech was not forgivable.

    i hate people who are nice. i graduated college in 2006 and have sent out thousands of resumes for jobs i was qualified to do but never got a single decent one. if any person stepped up and said, “ya know Rich, ur not gonna get a job because x, y, z” i could appreciate that and learn from it. but about 5,000 pieces of shit just had to ‘be nice’. thats not leadership. its deception.

    i dont think we should ‘be nice’ to social movements that undermine humanity.

    #20440
    Avatar of Elwar
    Elwar
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    “I hate those fuckers. Their ideas are so Stalinist they got no clue at all. ”

    meh, I have no worry for any communist movement that has no force behind it. It would be like going on the attack against left wing talk radio. They tried it, it failed.

    Communism fails on its own. No need to go after it.

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