99 year lease
June 9, 2009 at 6:15 pm #951
I’ve seen a large number of very interesting ideas concerning base steads and islands. Instead of trying to purchase an Island or land in a countries mainland, how about a 99 year lease on an island? It worked for GB and Hong Kong, would it not work for us?Admittedly, the owning nation might come into play, but realisticly, I think the bigger problem would be environmentalist. Just a thought.
KatzJune 9, 2009 at 8:09 pm #6393
That may work for ONE community, but the big push for seasteading comes from the idea of “dynamic geography”, so that if you don’t like the government in which you live, you can easily pack up everything you have and move to another one.
Living on land makes this difficult, as would leasing said land from a repressive state.
There is no fate but what we make for ourselves. Each to his fate.June 9, 2009 at 9:29 pm #6395
I like the idea. It could be the perfect place to start. We could use it as an outpost and a massive shipyard.
- NickJune 10, 2009 at 3:53 am #6399
I’ve touched on this issue several years back, along with other FreeZone financing options in my FreeNation Update:June 10, 2009 at 1:14 pm #6403
Do nations actually lease out land these days? The Hong Kong lease was signed more than a hundred years ago. Anyone know any leases signed since then?
Even if you found a government willing to do it, I’m sure it would be extremely expensive. Governments hate competition.June 14, 2009 at 4:44 am #6520
I was under the impression that Hong Kong was ceded to GB after the opium wars indefinitely and only in the First Peking Conventions were the British further granted occupation rights for 99 years.
That was a very inequitable transfer, however, and without the British Empire’s superior forces, I don’t think it would have gone through. I don’t know how feasible it is to get a base-stead leased from a government voluntarily.June 15, 2009 at 9:22 am #6526
I have been looking for a more recent example and can’t find one. I did come across the Pitcairn Islands deal that flooped in the 80′s do to environmentalist intervention, and I agree with them on there point. The gentlemen in question wanted to clear cut one of the islands for cattle ranching. IMO Although I believe that you need to break a few eggs to bake a cake, this just didn’t come across as a good idea in me.
As Oceanpolis had mentioned the idea of Clipperton island as a seabase, I was intrigued by the idea since it is for sale. http://www.privateislandsonline.com/clipperton-atoll.htm and France once studied the idea of making it a fishing base by opening the atoll to the sea and installing a runway. For reasons unknown at this time, they decided not to go through with it. Interesting, since that area of the Pacific is one of it’s excellent tuna fishing areas. Since France doesn’t make a money off it anyway, a fair and equitable lease offer, with promises of enhancement of the island’s features might work. But with the beginning of Nautilus Explorer offering diving trips there in spring of 2010, environmetalists may try block any bid to open the inner waters of the atoll up to the sea…even though it is dead water IMO(aka, no fish or plant life besides algae)
Cheers, KatzJune 16, 2009 at 1:11 am #6537
Ty Katz for bring it up. Clipp needs a lot of ,..”terra forming” but I like the location. I wonder how much they’re asking,…June 16, 2009 at 1:22 am #6538
Is not the same Clipperton I was writing about,…Look @ the photos…. There is no vegetation on Clipperton (the one off the Mexican coast) but few palm trees. Wrong Clipp lol.June 17, 2009 at 12:47 am #6543OCEANOPOLIS wrote:
Is not the same Clipperton I was writing about,…Look @ the photos…. There is no vegetation on Clipperton (the one off the Mexican coast) but few palm trees. Wrong Clipp lol.
I noticed that, but couldn’t find anything about another Clipperton Island or Atoll. The photo’s appear to be the same size and shape of the one off the Mexican coast. My thought is it was the same atoll with touched up photo’s from an early expedition. lol
And I’m curious about the price myself. Lets face it, when the oceans rise, that island better rise with it or it’s going under….I wonder if that means it’s still French territory once submerged?June 17, 2009 at 1:50 am #6574
And the map is wrong. The only atoll also called Clipperton is in French Polynesia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahunui. The map, here http://www.traveljournals.net/explore/french_polynesia/map/m1894816/ahunui.html doesnt look like the one on islandsonline,….Well, if its submerge its gone, baby,…gone.;-)June 17, 2009 at 6:04 pm #6585
IS Ahunui, see Google Earth. The confusion I think is that Clipperton is ‘governed’ from Papeete, French Polynesia which is almost 3400miles away…
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